To wonder what part of this statement reminded Gary L of Nazi Germany?

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This is Suella Braverman's statement Gary Lineker was reacting to when he said "This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s" ... twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1633094764865126400

If she was saying she wanted to stop immigration I could understand GL's reaction. But she's not. I don't understand why anyone would not want to "stop the boats" when 1. they're lethal and 2. they're being run by criminal gangs. If GL had made it clear he wanted to stop the boats but thought this policy was the wrong way to do it, then fine. But he didn't - he just made an extremely inflammatory statement. He might be getting lots of love from some quarters, but personally I think he's an egotist who is playing into the hands of the people smugglers.

@jgw1 I admire your dedication and your persistence. I'm also utterly dismayed at the people on this thread who are deliberately choosing to remain ignorant around what international law about refugees actually says.

Do people think the safe routes would stop boats arriving?

What numbers do would do that

It isn't incomprehensible at all.

The supporters of restrictions on asylum and migration simply know that there's a limit on capacity. No matter how inhuman you consider that to be it's the reason. The limit on capacity in the country they leave IS THE REASON THEY LEAVE. We can also have a capacity limit.

It's irrelevant how many go elsewhere, we are entitled to do our own maths.

We also know that people ineligible for legal migration choose fake asylum application routes sold to them by slavers and smugglers and overwhelm the system causing breakdowns and open doors.

We also know legal asylum application routes would be overwhelmed by millions of applications.

Claiming this knowledge to be "demonisation" is causing a greater breakdown in controls.

We are entitled to defend our borders, unless entering a country without permission is fair game in which case let Putin get on with it.

This illegal entry is an act of aggression.

Woolly minded liberals.

So your logic is that Turkey should absorb all of Europe’s migrants from Asia, and the UK should on accept (hypothetical future) Irish or French refugees?

@pasta4metonight- you do realise we are living in 2023? You do not get to pick the benefits of a global economy and pretend that we live in the utopia of pre-industrial economies (which were actually pretty grim for most people). Our tiny little Island is becoming increasingly backward at an alarming rate. Immigration has been hugely important for centuries in regards to our economy, science, the arts etc. Even the most uneducated/insular/xenophobic cannot believe the UK became a global player based on fen potato farmers and the landed gentry.

Apologies if already posted, but this clip from a phone-in, where the caller substitutes the word “migrant” for “Jew” in part of Braverman’s speech is quite effective…

mobile.twitter.com/snigskitchen/status/1634511138820878337/video/1

Not "my" logic, straight from Government website.

But it is the reality and it is the reason Turkey has far more asylum seekers than the UK

Anklespraying "We also know legal asylum application routes would be overwhelmed by millions of applications."

Millions You have swallowed Braverman's diatribe lock , stock and barrel.

And for people going on about boats- it used to be lorrys but covid and brexit. Just a different route....

I appreciate your passion but it is rather undermined by the wrongness of many of your statements. Might be worth watching that legal video @jgw1 keeps posting

Otherwise there’s a risk you’ll look a bit daft

likening people in boats fleeing persecution to claim legal asylum to a Russian military invasion isn’t quite the compelling argument you might think

• We are entitled to defend our borders, unless entering a country without permission is fair game in which case let Putin get on with it.

This illegal entry is an act of aggression.*

The propaganda is definitely working.

You are confusing guidance on processing asylum claims with the right to seek asylum.
They are different things

markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/countries-by-share-of-earths-surface-1029996131

Look how far down this list we are, and yet we have to agree to unlimited economic migration from countries with far more space than us?

Is that you Suella?

really ramping up the rhetoric there aren’t you?

Just for clarity, I whole heatedly believe in offering asylum, to anyone suffering persecution.

I do NOT believe in people smugglers making money out of putting peoples lives at risk to move from (safe) France to (safe) UK. I do not believe in slavery, and I do not believe in people trafficking. You have to put deterrents in place to stop this behaviour.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

You realise that economic migration is an entirely different system?
economic migrants do not arrive in small boats

clearly quite a lot of confusion at your end.

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Yes dear.

So that's your snidey little answer is it?

Unfortunately for you we've been hearing that lefty retort for a while now and it's still an empty, nothing, vacuous statement.

All you have is insults.

So you think the trafficking victims can just hop out in France and cheerily wave goodbye to the traffickers who will have planned to use them for labour/sex in UK businesses?

Sorry, this is the clip I meant to post previously.

Part of Braverman’s speech with the word “Jew” substitutes for “migrant”

twitter.com/TheVojem/status/1634312033595211778?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1634312033595211778%7Ctwgr%5Eb94ef4a98cdb65793e2a68dceb2b691b9cbdf717%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theforum365.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fthevojem%2Fstatus%2F1634312033595211778%3Fs%3D6126t%3DdyqUPeOGxxUnlFk-RhrhIg

That's lovely. But the international law that governs asylum seekers, puts no limits on the numbers.

You can learn more about it in this short video.

twitter.com/crimlawuk/status/1634330359839031301

I really am at a loss to know why so many posters this evening seem determined in their ignorance to prove Lineker's point.

We’ve actually provided you with quite a lot of information. I don’t know that you’ve digested it though. Your posts suggest there’s still quite a lot of misunderstandings

These threads are so volatile. It’s a mess.

I’m yet to see a thread where it’s discussed calmly. Safe routes - it sound like people would accept a number but not unlimited, so boats will still come. What do we do when they arrive and so on.

But it is not for the government of the day to decide who is an is not an asylum seeker.
That is governed by international law that the UK was a founding signatory of.

Please do watch this video to educate yourself further.

twitter.com/crimlawuk/status/1634330359839031301

You might like to consider why a government that consistently others groups of people is trying to mislead you as to what the law is in this area.