To applaud Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer and Ian Wright, and think Suella Braverman is looking like a fool for not even understanding the comment

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Lineker called the immigration policy cruel, and compared the language and attitude of the government to 1930s Germany.

I hundred percent agree with him

Braverman started denying that anything that is happening in UK is comparable to the holocaust

She is spectacularly missing the point. The holocaust didn't happen in the 1930s

What happened in the 1930s was the slow and steady build up of racism and aggression and hate, that resulted in the holocaust in the 1940s

And the noises coming out of the government are very much like 1930s nazis

For those of you that don't have any interest in Match of the Day, Gary Lineker, the main presenter, has been suspended, in spite of being a sports commentator, and NOT a news reader or involved in current affairs programming, and NOT bound by the impartiality clause, and his two top fellow presenters have refused to appear without him

So either the BBC bosses (tory appointees) have scored a spectacular own goal,(unintended pun) in trying to supress Lineker's opinions, and turning them into world wide headlines,

OR!

Maybe they are secretly working against the government by choosing a course of action that will actually make the tories look like complete fools, while pretending to support them!

What has that got to do with language, which is what the Tweet in question related to?

I've searched and searched and he didn't type the word Nazi did he? He said:

“There is no huge influx. We take far fewer refugees than other major European countries.
“This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s, and I’m out of order?”

As soon as I read this, the articles and the repeated use of the word Nazi which seems to be intended to inflame opinion against him I was reminded of this famous quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".

It is actually quite easy to work out who constitutes a genunine asylum seeker.
Anyone who is seeking asylum. The clue is perhaps in the name. Anyone who is seeking asylum has that absolute right to seek it.

There is then a process to determine whether they have a valid claim, most do, although that process happens so slowly in the UK it is not really fit for purpose.

No. It’s worse surely.

So are prejudice and anti-semitism OK if directed at immigrants?

Littlefaeries so your post shows that the U.K. is more tolerant but your criticism is of U.K. not France for being less tolerant?

Sorry posted too soon.
Surely though you have to recognise a softening up of what we will tolerate.
If asylum seekers are targeted as a problem and are effectively stopped who is the target next time the government needs a scapegoat?

Oh FFS. Yes, someone involved in the anti-government movement in Iran can just hop on a plane. Someone in Afghanistan who worked for the British and is now in danger can just saunter off to the airport...

Interestingly this passage is in this months BBC history magazine as part of a review of Martin Davidson's new book.

It would appear Davidson and Keith Lowe (the reviewer and another author and historian), two men who have spent years researching Nazi Germany, share similar views to Linekar.

Legal routes exist via applying for visas
However
Like most countries the UK has rules about who it will accept. ie you may need to be of a certain profession, in Guernsey you need to have loads of money and so on.

A lot of people that want to come to the UK would not be granted a visa as they would not fit the criteria. So their only option is to come illegally

Those who have a right to asylum ie the right to live in a country where they are safe and free of persecution generally seek that in the first available country they reach.
Asylum claims are dealt with at a screening at the the Home Office in your country of origin. If you are illegible you get a case worker who then considers your application.

The system is not that easy and some countries don’t have Home Offices.
Many of the UK boat migrants come from countries that the UK do not have listed as ‘dangerous’ and would not, generally, be granted Asylum from their own country so they do not apply anyway.

If all legal applications fail the only route is an illegal one.

Thank you @Notonthestairs.

It would be very easy for DH and myself to have a knee jerk reaction to things and part of me can understand why some parents joined the protest and I fully support their rights to protest.

I wish there could be a real discussion around immigration that allows for the concerns of people who live in deprived communities and are worried about resources and our responsibilities as a nation built on immigration and welcoming to those in need.

I am not terribly hopeful that this will happen though which makes me worry that in some communities (like ours) things could get nasty. The real right wing are pretty effective in lighting a touch paper under these worries and letting it blow up

Relative to the Home Secretary and the rest of the current government yes.
Whether that says more about GL or the government well....

I'm bloody delighted to hear that some players are now saying they won't do post-match interviews for the BBC.

So that's the presenters, the regular commentators and some of the players all showing solidarity with Lineker. Great work!

I don’t think the BBC are right about this at all but i stopped watching the apprentice king ago because of alan sugar. I know it makes no difference though.

These are not who I was referring to - I was meaning economic migrants like Albanians. The Wizzair from Albania to the U.K. was /is £30.

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https://www.hellomagazine.com/homes/20211107125801/gary-lineker-confirms-surprising-new-housemate-refugee/

I’m absolutely critical of France on this subject.
And I don’t want the UK to become an intolerant country and stopping Gary Lineker from speaking out is wrong.
What are the Tories afraid of?

Someone else will benefit from this.

If there’s demand people will view it even if not free BBC

This thread shows the issue, so many people can’t debate this without accusing the other side of being too left or too right wing.

I’m in the middle, and in real life chat to friends about this who are also in the middle. Yes we want to help genuine refugees, I’ve worked in Afghanistan and would welcome people escaping persecution. I also appreciate the history of immigration that has made British what it is today, in my local town we have a large Jamaican and Indian population and they’re as British as I am, of course they are.

But there are 2 issues, control and cultural integration. People can claim these issues don’t exist and anyone raising them is ‘right’, but as the poster who said about her teenage girl being told not to go into town, or in Sweden where the PM has said the lack of integration and imported criminal gangs are changing the cultural landscape of Sweden and it hasn’t worked creating a huge back lash. Same in Southern Germany.

*Britain

Mein Kampf is the language, the thought process, the theory.

Exactly! These are the things we really need to be talking about - and finding what we really want as a society/country.

Congratulations we now have state controlled television!

Agree with @LakieLady .You have described my very white MC towns problems ..absolutely nothing to do with migrants and far more the fault of our incompetent government!

Rubbish, a UK General said a few days ago that 1000s of Afghans, who helped UK troops are stuck in camps around europe and asia and cannot get refuge to the UK despite filling out the "forms"

One former Afghan General has waited so so long in Pakistan he has given and is now going to the USA.

Former Afghan interpreters have crossed the channel in small boats.

What i don't understand is what war or conflict (up to 5m) are HK ers are fleeing?

Surely with limited resources, we should be prioritising asylum claims.