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To applaud Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer and Ian Wright, and think Suella Braverman is looking like a fool for not even understanding the comment

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Nimbostratus100 · 10/03/2023 19:44

Lineker called the immigration policy cruel, and compared the language and attitude of the government to 1930s Germany.

I hundred percent agree with him

Braverman started denying that anything that is happening in UK is comparable to the holocaust

She is spectacularly missing the point. The holocaust didn't happen in the 1930s

What happened in the 1930s was the slow and steady build up of racism and aggression and hate, that resulted in the holocaust in the 1940s

And the noises coming out of the government are very much like 1930s nazis

For those of you that don't have any interest in Match of the Day, Gary Lineker, the main presenter, has been suspended, in spite of being a sports commentator, and NOT a news reader or involved in current affairs programming, and NOT bound by the impartiality clause, and his two top fellow presenters have refused to appear without him

So either the BBC bosses (tory appointees) have scored a spectacular own goal,(unintended pun) in trying to supress Lineker's opinions, and turning them into world wide headlines,

OR!

Maybe they are secretly working against the government by choosing a course of action that will actually make the tories look like complete fools, while pretending to support them!

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pompomdaisy · 10/03/2023 21:53

Ha ha laughing at the comments 'maybe he should put some refugees up in his home' when he already has.

I love that Mumsnet is a real cross section of the intelligent and well informed along side the unintelligent and misinformed.

MarshaMelrose · 10/03/2023 21:53

CornishGem1975 · 10/03/2023 21:43

Does being rich mean you can't have an opinion?

Does being rich mean you can just break your contract? Why do you think poor people have to keep to their contract but you're happy for rich people not to.

Sirius3030 · 10/03/2023 21:53

saveforthat · 10/03/2023 20:22

So do I. Maybe he can put a few up, I'm sure he's got a spare bedroom or two.

“He has in the past been vocal about migrants' rights and has taken refugees into his home.”.

Notonthestairs · 10/03/2023 21:54

"most normal people are against him."

Definition of "normal people" required.

Busybody2022 · 10/03/2023 21:54

MarshaMelrose · 10/03/2023 21:53

Does being rich mean you can just break your contract? Why do you think poor people have to keep to their contract but you're happy for rich people not to.

It isn't in his contract.

birdshavingabath · 10/03/2023 21:54

not this normal person! go gary!

Notonthestairs · 10/03/2023 21:54

"Does being rich mean you can just break your contract? Why do you think poor people have to keep to their contract but you're happy for rich people not to."

Andrew Neil was free to tweet whatever he liked.

Itdoesnthavetobejusrol · 10/03/2023 21:55

Gilead · 10/03/2023 21:48

The language of the Nazi party is abhorrent. It really isn’t much different to zTory policies, but there is this utterly strange knee jerk reaction if it’s mentioned. It’s as though it’s an untouchable thing in a bubble, we can’t compare it, we can’t quote it, and if we do we should be ashamed. Well it isn’t sacrosanct. Those who dare to mention the comparison are the ones desperate to stop history repeating itself.

I agree. Why can't we compare? People are fleeing their countries in their millions, countries are till attempting genocide, millions are being imprisoned, tortured, silenced and murdered if they do not agree with their governments in many countries right across the globe right now. Why on earth can't this be compared to previous atrocities and the dangerous language that sets the wheels of hate in motion?
Why are people slamming the doors shut and putting their fingers in their ears?
Are they really too scared to even acknowledge whats happening?

CornishGem1975 · 10/03/2023 21:55

What a bizarre thing to say @MarshaMelrose not being rich doesn't mean you're poor.

And plenty of people break their contracts. Rich, and those terrible poor.

GyozaGuiting · 10/03/2023 21:56

The thing is, Gary is a bit tone deaf, the majority of people ARE concerned about immigration.

We’ve had an increase in migrant arrivals in our area and 2 of the village schools are over subscribed and my friend is having to travel miles for her boy to go to school.

It’s all well and good brandishing those with concerns as far right. But then there’s no nuanced debate about real concerns.
The Swedish Prime Minster recently said they have failed to integrate the vast numbers of immigrants it has taken in over the past two decades, and this has lead to parallel societies, culture clashes and gang violence.

Germany have encountered similar problems, my aunt lives there and the amount of female victim crime is huge in her area (rape, harassment, etc).

I agree with immigration, we need it- I want to help those escaping Afghanistan and Ukraine, persecution in Hong Kong. But it needs to be carefully managed.

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IClaudine · 10/03/2023 21:56

MarshaMelrose · 10/03/2023 21:53

Does being rich mean you can just break your contract? Why do you think poor people have to keep to their contract but you're happy for rich people not to.

Well yes, being rich gives you far more power, that is capitalist society for you. Linekar has used his power to call out the government in a way less powerful people can't. That is a good thing.

Lovemelovemydoggie · 10/03/2023 21:56

Nimbostratus100 · 10/03/2023 21:45

what a good thing we have so many refugees here working in out health system and education system, where on earth would we be without them? And not only that, they pay taxes, and we didn't even have to pay to educate them in many cases, as they arrived qualified and experienced!

Where I teach, my department would not be fully staffed with qualified teachers if we didn't have a number of refugees on the staff.

Do you mean migrants?

Also I don’t necessarily believe in the long-term that it is a good thing that well-educated immigrants are plugging employment gaps in so many sectors in the UK.

It masks the dire state of education in this country and how unemployable vast numbers of school leavers are. There would be more pressure on the government to value and increase spending on education and apprenticeships if there wasn’t an alternative work force available.

Cosmos123 · 10/03/2023 21:57

Graces7 · 10/03/2023 20:11

Because what we all need right now is a grossly overpaid, overexposed sports presenter with a sketchy grasp of history to virtue signal his unsolicited, personal, political opinion & bias.

I rather hear his opinion with the current Government in power.

It is cruel.

And Baverman using her husbands religion of Judaism to hide behind. Like saying I can't be racist I have black friends.

Teentaxidriver · 10/03/2023 21:57

I am so glad that our poor are signed up for us to support the world’s poor instead. It will be truly heartening to see lots of people previously on the dole, getting jobs so that we can redirect our limited resources to those who truly need help. Bravo!

Zuffe · 10/03/2023 21:58

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake · 10/03/2023 21:50

As for the millionaire Lineker, and all the posters saying they are happy for their taxes to fund migrants, I assume they are insulated from the reality for many of living in the UK. People already in this country can’t get access to health care, dental care, education, can’t afford housing, heating and food.

Have you ever stopped to wonder what's caused this lack of access to health care, dental care, education, can’t afford housing, heating and food? It sure as hell ain't refugees.

clue: the reason has been in power for 13 years

It goes back 25 years actually. You can go back to 1998/99 and that includes a significant term of Labour Government and material year on year increases in spending. Successive governments have increased spending and now we are approaching £100 billion of annual interest repayments alone. You can blame the Conservatives and that is right, but you cannot exonerate Labour in the same breath.

We have 30 years of stagnation coming. The UK is the last place I would want to come if I were a refugee. I would be looking elsewhere.

Dymaxion · 10/03/2023 21:58

The other big issue I have with this whole media circus surrounding this one particular issue, is that politics is all encompassing. It isn't just the 'big' issues we see everyday on the TV or on social media or hear about on the radio, it is everyday stuff that effects us all.
How often the bins are emptied, recycling, planning and housing, highways and the state of our roads, local amenities like libraries etc. plus the big stuff like the NHS, education, childcare and social care.
It feels very squirrely to talk about one issue when everyone is effected by all those other issues, very 'look over there at Gary, never mind the damage to your car because the roads are rubbish and that it costs you a fortune to fill up your car, no look at Gary over there daring to criticise the language used by people in goverment, that is more important than the cost of living crisis and the fact you are struggling to pay your bills anyday'.

Get cross with Gary not us ! Pathetic !

Cosmos123 · 10/03/2023 21:59

GyozaGuiting · 10/03/2023 21:56

The thing is, Gary is a bit tone deaf, the majority of people ARE concerned about immigration.

We’ve had an increase in migrant arrivals in our area and 2 of the village schools are over subscribed and my friend is having to travel miles for her boy to go to school.

It’s all well and good brandishing those with concerns as far right. But then there’s no nuanced debate about real concerns.
The Swedish Prime Minster recently said they have failed to integrate the vast numbers of immigrants it has taken in over the past two decades, and this has lead to parallel societies, culture clashes and gang violence.

Germany have encountered similar problems, my aunt lives there and the amount of female victim crime is huge in her area (rape, harassment, etc).

I agree with immigration, we need it- I want to help those escaping Afghanistan and Ukraine, persecution in Hong Kong. But it needs to be carefully managed.

Do you have stats to show that the migrants in Germany are the majority rapists?

Roussette · 10/03/2023 22:00

saveforthat · 10/03/2023 20:22

So do I. Maybe he can put a few up, I'm sure he's got a spare bedroom or two.

He has.

Do your homework.

Bootbear · 10/03/2023 22:01

MarshaMelrose · 10/03/2023 21:47

It doesn't make any difference. Broadcasters have been told that they can't make politically biased comments. It's not like he doesn't know that.
It's like your 7yos primary school teacher publishing topless photos of herself on an open FB page. It's not on school time, it's not on a school FB or WhatsApp. But it's not allowed. Same as if you tweeted publicly that the company you worked for sold poor quality goods and customers would be better going elsewhere. If it wasn't on a work account, would the company be OK with that?

Sue Gray is now going to be paid by the Labour Party. Does that mean you no longer believe her party gate report? I actually think both Richard Sharps and Sye Grays appointments are problematic but it doesn't mean to me that they have been biased in their work.

I'm pretty sure this rule only applies to newscaster and political pundits. I don't think it applies to entertainers. Could be wrong.

IClaudine · 10/03/2023 22:01

Teentaxidriver · 10/03/2023 21:57

I am so glad that our poor are signed up for us to support the world’s poor instead. It will be truly heartening to see lots of people previously on the dole, getting jobs so that we can redirect our limited resources to those who truly need help. Bravo!

So poor people should not care about the plight of other poor people?

Notonthestairs · 10/03/2023 22:02

I agree @Dymaxion that the world shouldn't revolve around a tweet from a tv presenter.
But it is significant that a public (not state) broadcaster seems to think it should remove him from their scheduling on the basis that members of the Government are offended (and the chairman sorted a loan for the then PM).

SunsetsInVenice · 10/03/2023 22:03

I think he is a virtue signaller and does not live in the real world. That's why people are getting annoyed. He tweets from his mansion in leafy Barnes and does not seem to see the other side of taking in asylum seekers. Let's be honest here, they are not all seeking safety, many are young men looking looking for an easy life. Let's not pretend they are all lovely and hardworking either as that is disingenuous.
It should be OK to voice concerns about unknown men coming into the country illegally. We have no idea about their backgrounds. It's ridiculous that people are called racists or bigots for being worried about this. The country is already on it's knees we cannot sustain this.

Florenz · 10/03/2023 22:04

Cosmos123 · 10/03/2023 21:59

Do you have stats to show that the migrants in Germany are the majority rapists?

Any rape committed by a migrant is a rape that wouldn't have happened without immigration. Someone like Gary Lineker has to look the victim in the eye and say "I'm sorry, but you are collateral damage so that people can me can reap the benefits of living in a modern multicultural society". It's utter bullshit and more and more people are starting to realise this. We simply cannot take in every refugee that wants to come here. There's no reason for ANY refugee to come here as they pass through any number of safe countries to get here.

MarshaMelrose · 10/03/2023 22:04

CornishGem1975 · 10/03/2023 21:55

What a bizarre thing to say @MarshaMelrose not being rich doesn't mean you're poor.

And plenty of people break their contracts. Rich, and those terrible poor.

Semantics.

Anyone can break a contract but then you face consequences for it. Rich peoole aren't worried about that because they have money. The less well off don't have that luxury.

Poor people aren't terrible! Why on earth would you say that?

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