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To ask school to not let DD choose friends for this?

162 replies

FallFallPleaseDont · 09/03/2023 13:43

DD is 8, Y4.

She has a medical condition which means when it’s cold, or damp or she has a mild cold she has to stay inside in the warm or she can’t walk due to the pain or if she falls she could seriously damage her legs.

This is all documented in an EHCP and in the schools own Individual Education Plan (which runs alongside the EHCP and basically tells the school day to day whose doing what and when).

Obviously, the last few months due to it being winter it’s been extremely cold, or very wet. Some days she goes to lunchtime clubs but these don’t run everyday so on days when she can’t go on the playground without a club she’s allowed to choose up to 2 other children from the class to stay inside with her – the teacher encourages her to choose different children each time but theres only around 5 children in the class she considers a friend, so those 5 children are rotated between in either different pairings or 1 at a time – although often those children volunteer themselves to stay inside (which I don’t blame them for when it’s freezing outside!).

Others in the class have caught onto this, and when it’s been very cold have been asking DD to choose them. I am fine with this as is the teacher who has encouraged DD to branch out with friends but she always wants one of these 5 whether she chooses someone else from the class or not – these are not necessarily the 5 children she sits with at school but ones a relative of hers (from her dad’s side) and the rest are various friends who she does out of school activities and goes the parties of.

Some of the parents whose DC don’t get regularly chosen by DD have also caught onto it, and have tried to become friends with me/DD and when that’s not worked, they’re now saying that DD “is the teachers favourite” and that everyone should be given the same chance to be inside and they will say it loudly as they walk passed us or ask their child loudly “So who did the teachers favourite choose to stay in with her today?” It’s getting awkward for DD and she’s now trying to go outside even when school or I deem it unsafe (I am allowed to email school and say I don’t think the conditions are appropriate for playground time today and they keep her inside).

Obviously if she can be on the playground DD is on it and as we go into spring and summer she’ll be on it more often than she is inside, but she did spend most of Autumn term 2 and all of Spring Term 1 inside, this is a safeguard for both DD and the school because apparently if she has a serious fall or injury when they knew about her condition it’s a legal minefield. So I now want to ask school to stop letting DD chose a friend and instead let those friends volunteer, or ask them to do a rota with the whole class so DDs not allowed but everyone gets a fair chance to be inside.

WIBU to ask this? Or are these other solutions?

This has come up again today as school have called me to say she wants to go out in the snow but they don’t believe she did so kept her inside.

OP posts:
Abraxan · 10/03/2023 20:50

saraclara · 09/03/2023 15:08

If the parents and the rest of DD's classmates don't know that she has a disability, then of course they're going to question why she gets to stay in on cold wet days when other kids don't. No wonder they think it's favouritism.

I'd suggest a chat with your DD to explain this to her, and point out the downside of her wanting to keep it to herself. She shouldn't have to tell others but in this scenario she can't really have it both ways.

I don't think the other parents, or children tbh, need to be given the reason.

I am more surprised that those parents, if not the children, didn't realise that the op’s dd clearly has a medical (or other specific) reason for not being outside. Are the parents really so dad as to think it's because it's fsvouritism on the tescher’s part? Confused I seriously doubt it, it's pretty obvious the]at there'll be a valid reason.

redbigbananafeet · 10/03/2023 20:50

nilsmousehammer · 09/03/2023 15:42

Who did the teacher's favourite choose

Direct discrimination against you and dd on the grounds of her disability. Right there.

School need to shut this down firmly and hard, and they had a duty to be proactive and see this coming before you and dd were exposed to it. They need to get on it now, and sort this out, and yes the 'choosing' needs to be taken off dd's shoulders. Instead she can make a quiet list with the teacher of who she'd like to invite to play, and the teacher can select from the list daily to offer those children. Which is only mediating what dd would do if she was free to be outside playing. Chronic pain and disability is no privilege, this needs making very clear to those parents and children.

They don't know she's disabled so hey aren't discriminating against her due to her disability.

Abraxan · 10/03/2023 20:55

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 09/03/2023 17:33

The school should have an indoor option for everyone in adverse weather. It's ridiculous to expect the children to go out in the cold and wet. That would avoid having to single out anyone with a disability.

Where does the staffing come for this?
The teaching staff are entitled to a break. We need to be able to go to the toilet at some point, or grab a quick drink!

Sugarfree23 · 10/03/2023 20:56

Rosscameasdoody · 10/03/2023 20:01

Because DD doesn’t want to.

The DD doesn't really understand that it just looks like favouritism that she never has to go outside in the cold.

All the secrecy is going to end up causing her more issues than just saying she has a health issue.

Nobody needs more details than that. Reality it will be news for a day or two then everyone will move on.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 10/03/2023 20:57

Abraxan · 10/03/2023 20:55

Where does the staffing come for this?
The teaching staff are entitled to a break. We need to be able to go to the toilet at some point, or grab a quick drink!

Get some auxiliary staff in specifically to cover breaks.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 10/03/2023 20:58

Nobody needs more details than that. Reality it will be news for a day or two then everyone will move on.

No, it won’t. Not with people being a dickish as they currently are.

It’ll continually come up, be dissected and discussed until everyone is happy their child is getting a “fair” turn to stay inside - which will be the 12th of never

Abraxan · 10/03/2023 20:59

Get some auxiliary staff in specifically to cover breaks.

And the funding for this comes from where?
School budgets are already incredibly tight and schools are running in empty as it is. They can't afford to pay for extra staff to cover children not wanting to be outside because it's a bit cold or wet.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 10/03/2023 21:05

Abraxan · 10/03/2023 20:59

Get some auxiliary staff in specifically to cover breaks.

And the funding for this comes from where?
School budgets are already incredibly tight and schools are running in empty as it is. They can't afford to pay for extra staff to cover children not wanting to be outside because it's a bit cold or wet.

We need a government who are committed to funding education properly.

But someone must be supervising the children outside - why can't they move inside with the children ?

saraclara · 10/03/2023 21:10

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 10/03/2023 20:57

Get some auxiliary staff in specifically to cover breaks.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

a) where is the money going to come from?

b) where are those people going to come from, who are going be prepared to travel into work to cover and be paid to supervise a 15 minute morning break and then go home again?

This has to be one of the most ridiculus suggestions I've ever seen on Mumsnet

ASundayWellSpent · 10/03/2023 21:13

Have only read the first page, but as a parent of a girl the same age, and also as a teacher: no, they don't need to be told the reason behind it. I teach slightly younger children and they are perfectly capable of understanding that "fair means that everyone gets what they NEED in order to be successful, not that everyone gets the same." They need to suck it up, let your DD get on with her day and they get on with theirs. If its that cold that they are freezing then thats a school problem, not a problem for you or your DD

JennyDarlingRIP · 10/03/2023 21:20

As a parent surely you would assume there is a good reason a particular child has to stay in. Or amazes me none of them have put two and two together and actually come up with 4. It's logical that this isn't just teachers picking favourite FFS! I'm sure there are plenty of times your daughter would love to be outside running about but can't.
If DS asked me why does Johnny stay in at lunchtime, I'd say there must be a good reason, we don't need to know everything about everyone. The fresh air is good for you, so don't worry about not being inside.
That would be the end of it.

Abraxan · 10/03/2023 21:28

But someone must be supervising the children outside - why can't they move inside with the children ?

When outside we can have 3 members of staff supervising 180 children playing out for 15 minutes, stood in strategic positions around the playground to allow for us to see the whole space between us.

You can't put all those children into just 3 or 4 classrooms for 15 minutes to play, the rooms, not even the hall, are big enough. It would take double the staff. More if they could choose inside or outside.

Obviously when it's a wet break duty we do have to cover it the best we can but this doesn't happen very often and it often means staff losing their break time.

itsjustnotok · 10/03/2023 21:29

@nilsmousehammer it’s very hard to label the issue as disability discrimination when the parents are seemingly clueless that this is the reason. For whatever reason they see it as favouritism. OP’s DD doesn’t want anyone to know so in order to educate the parents what should they be told?

BourbonBon · 10/03/2023 21:44

It’s ridiculous that any of them have to be outside in this weather. I know I wouldn’t agree to stand outside for “a break” when it’s 0 degrees so why should kids?

pizzaHeart · 10/03/2023 21:49

A child has designated TA at school. Of course, people are aware that she has additional needs. And of course children are aware about the difference between them and your DD. They don’t know yet what it is about. She is staying inside for medical reasons, that’s all anyone needs to know but it should be clear for the class to shut down any comments from children and/or parents.
How does teacher explain your DD staying inside without saying that it’s on medical grounds? Apologies if it’s mentioned I only went as far as 2 pages.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 10/03/2023 21:52

itsjustnotok · 10/03/2023 21:29

@nilsmousehammer it’s very hard to label the issue as disability discrimination when the parents are seemingly clueless that this is the reason. For whatever reason they see it as favouritism. OP’s DD doesn’t want anyone to know so in order to educate the parents what should they be told?

That it’s none of their business?

Blondeshavemorefun · 10/03/2023 22:57

The secrecy isn't helping

Teacher just needs to tell class and maybe you mention on a wats app class group if you have one

Dd has a medical condition that means she can't be outside when cold/wet or makes her condition worse

Hence she has a lot of indoor play in this weather

Sure you will understand and support my daughters disability

Lavenderflower · 11/03/2023 16:11

saraclara · 10/03/2023 20:43

She's not disabled. She has a condition that is affected by the cold. And the parents are entirely unaware of that.

The school simply cannot tell the other parents that the chold has a medical issue, because they have a duty of confidentiality.

Basically this thread can be summed up in two sets of two words.

People suck
Confidentiality matters

A disability is an inability or restricted ability to perform an activity within the normal human range. This little girls condition probably does fall into this category otherwise she would be able to play outside like most other children.

Rosscameasdoody · 11/03/2023 20:14

Sugarfree23 · 10/03/2023 20:56

The DD doesn't really understand that it just looks like favouritism that she never has to go outside in the cold.

All the secrecy is going to end up causing her more issues than just saying she has a health issue.

Nobody needs more details than that. Reality it will be news for a day or two then everyone will move on.

Not the point. DD doesn’t want anyone to know beyond her circle of friends and her wishes should be respected. Pandering to these childish dickheads at her expense isn’t on.

Rosscameasdoody · 11/03/2023 20:19

saraclara · 10/03/2023 20:43

She's not disabled. She has a condition that is affected by the cold. And the parents are entirely unaware of that.

The school simply cannot tell the other parents that the chold has a medical issue, because they have a duty of confidentiality.

Basically this thread can be summed up in two sets of two words.

People suck
Confidentiality matters

Of course she has a disability - the OP has given enough information for that to be clear.

Rosscameasdoody · 11/03/2023 20:22

redbigbananafeet · 10/03/2023 20:50

They don't know she's disabled so hey aren't discriminating against her due to her disability.

Anyone with even an ounce of common sense would assume it’s down to a health condition, so it probably could be viewed as discrimination if there were any consequences for DD as a result of their actions.

Rosscameasdoody · 11/03/2023 20:24

itsjustnotok · 10/03/2023 21:29

@nilsmousehammer it’s very hard to label the issue as disability discrimination when the parents are seemingly clueless that this is the reason. For whatever reason they see it as favouritism. OP’s DD doesn’t want anyone to know so in order to educate the parents what should they be told?

Nothing about her medical condition unless DD specifically agrees to it. They’re not entitled to any explanation - it should be obvious to grown adults that there is a reason otherwise it wouldn’t be happening. To assume that this child stays indoors in cold and wet weather because it’s ‘favouritism’ is beyond childish.

RandomMess · 11/03/2023 20:39

I can't believe the other DC in the class and most certainly their parents have worked out there is a very valid reason why your DD is inside a lot Shock

Doesn't take rocket science that it's very likely either health or SN related especially as your DD has an EHCP.

Rosscameasdoody · 11/03/2023 20:45

saraclara · 10/03/2023 20:43

She's not disabled. She has a condition that is affected by the cold. And the parents are entirely unaware of that.

The school simply cannot tell the other parents that the chold has a medical issue, because they have a duty of confidentiality.

Basically this thread can be summed up in two sets of two words.

People suck
Confidentiality matters

She's not disabled. She has a condition that is affected by the cold. And the parents are entirely unaware of that.

The legal definition of disability for the purposes of the Equality Act 2010 is a physical or mental impairment that has a ‘substantial’ and ‘long-term’ negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities. ‘Substantial’ means more than minor or trivial, and ‘long-term’ means if not permanent, then expected to last 12 months or more. So yes, she is disabled and I’d say that the fact the school are clearly making the reasonable adjustment necessary under the Act, to accommodate her disability, proves that.

Rosscameasdoody · 11/03/2023 20:46

RandomMess · 11/03/2023 20:39

I can't believe the other DC in the class and most certainly their parents have worked out there is a very valid reason why your DD is inside a lot Shock

Doesn't take rocket science that it's very likely either health or SN related especially as your DD has an EHCP.

They probably have - I think a lot of the problem is that this is what they suspect and they want it spelled out. It’s nosiness in the extreme.

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