Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

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Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

I don't really listen to priminister questions, but I was just channel hopping waiting for the kettle to boil

So IABU to dance a little dance?

YABU - no you misheard, he didn't say that/ he said it but it is meaningless

YANBU - yes you heard it, yes it means something, dance away

I was honestly not taught about this.

And I'm ok with it.

I do totally agree that porn online is responsible for a lot of this, my own son was groomed online by adult men with hentaii porn and he was arrested and put on a SHPO at age 18. But whatever these kids pick up, it has to be dealt with in school. Schools, at the moment are normalising this behaviour because we have given far too much ground to fetishists and kinks and making the massive mistake of bringing them into the light. They SHOULD be taboo to a certain extent, this pup play/ age play/adult diaper/Anal sex while cooking is absurdly NOT normal and had no place in schools.

This country urgently needs very strict laws re porn. Personally I'm up for banning it totally like Iceland.

I'm honestly really shocked by what I am reading here. I am thirty so it wasn't that long ago that I was in school and I have a three year old daughter.

Some decades back (ahem), the bolder girls in our biology RSE lesson tried to embarrass the youngish teacher by asking 'What does sex actually feel like, miss, is it nice?'

All credit to her, she blushed beetroot and said, 'When it's the right person, yes, and if it doesn't feel nice, they're not doing it right.'

Honestly, I think that was enough information for 12-year-olds.

Yes, exactly. Because pro-porn, and that’s male centred, culture is informing RSE in schools.

The misogyny behind this could not be clearer in the example of your daughter being pointing out the absence of women’s sexual pleasure .

Sorry! Not 'enough information' (we did get told about condoms, STIs, mechanics etc too), but 'the right way to discuss female pleasure' for 12-year-olds

You are completely barking up the wrong tree and deeply insulting survivors of abuse with your ill thought out comments which are distinctly victim blaming. Abused children aren’t silenced by not knowing how to explain what is happening to them, this is a far more complex issue than you appear to comprehend. Children learning about keeping their bodies private and safe is absolutely not the same as learning about choking or blow jobs. If you want to educate your children about bdsm and anal sex do it at home.

I'm not sure you read my post. I said specifically that the normalisation of extreme porn was more likely to be the culprit.

Turning to the story about the 16 yr old, having gone to the original Australian source, this is what was said:

"In another story relayed to the ABC by an educator who speaks in schools, a 16-year-old girl was so badly injured attempting group anal sex she now needs a colostomy bag."

That's the sum total of the information provided by the original source.

This is totally anonymous and unverifiable. It's not proof of anything and is shoddy journalism. Who is this educator? If they only spoke on condition of anonymity, why isn't this mentioned? Who are the teenagers involved? Where and when did this happen? Why is there no other coverage of this?

But let's take it at face value and accept it is true. Do you really think this encounter was consensual? A group of boys injuring a girl so badly? That's gang rape, not a consensual "anal sex party" as PP put it.

So even the way this is being reported is extremely twisted.

I suspect the truth is closer to a girl being gang-raped, the boys not being prosecuted, and it being covered up or morphed through Chinese whispers as a "sex party" which she consented to. And certain sections are now holding it up as "See, look what girls will consent to if you tell them about certain sex acts in schools".

Uh I agree. I don't want my daughter to learn what a blow job is or anal sex when they're in school.

So out of genuine interest, how did you think women got pregnant? You say you have a daughter so you must have worked it out at some time!

Schools need to be a counter weight to porn culture but instead they are supporting the normalization of porn sex.

They should be putting the rise of anal sex/ choking in context. That it come from porn and they are allowing porn companies to shape their sexual desire. I think there should be a feminist analysis to give counterweight to the misogynistic views of sex presented in porn. Kids need a porn critical message from somewhere, but schools are delivering a porn re-enforcing message.

Schools should not just be ‘ this is what sex is now’ because sex does not need to be like this, where women are abused and used for make pleasure.

They should be taught was real consent is. Not getting a ‘yes’ or even just the absence of a ‘no’, but that consent is real, mutual enjoyment. Boys nowadays will start having sex with really fucked up ideas of what female sexual pleasure looks like! ( if they even have any interest in what that looks like).

I don’t recall ever learning about orgasms in school. I still understood human reproduction. I read about orgasms and sex in Mizz or Just 27. It’s totally inappropriate for schools to be teaching the breadth of sex issues there are in school and totally unnecessary. Do you not think young people knew about orgasms before they were being taught about it in a classroom? Did you not???? I think some people want to have schools teach their children literally everything about life. Parent your own child. Discuss all the varieties of sec that you want with them, it’s not necessary to discuss sexual techniques and practices in the classroom. It’s really odd you think it is.

Well my teacher had an illustrated diagram of a woman (the kind you see in biology) and you can see the uterus fallopian tube etc. and a similar diagram for the man. They went through all the reproductive organ names and said this (while pointing to the penis) has to go in there for it to happen. Then some illustrated pictures of the sperm and egg with labels. And that's all they told me about the act.

Every single piece of information teens require is freely available to them via the phone in their pocket. Pleasure is not a subject that needs to be taught in school. How thick do you think teens are?

@ExtraOnions

It's what is age Appropriate isn't it,
I agree for child safety in age appreciate way to say certain places on their body are private,
About inappropriate touching,

Where it gets Arkward about what is OK and Not,
Is about sex Appropriate issues about faith religion and mainstream society,
i am OK about same sex relationships,

But some Christians or most Christians Certainty would not be OK, have big issues with this, for obvious reasons,

Also Muslim faith don't like idea of Gay relationships either,

Also I don't agree with men dressed up with Bondage kinky gear and chaps looking like they are Madam Cynthia Payne sex Luncheon vouchers partying session
Doing story's times for young primary school children,

I am Suprised with Liberal attitudes today,

They don't wear Gimps masks too, to complete the look,

I just feel they are pushing agenda ideology that's not Appropriate at that tender age in regards of Drag Queens and Bondage kinky sex gear ,

I am OK about teenagers 14 or 15, 16 years ages learning about alternative lifestyles choices
Such as same sex relantships , Assexual relationships Polyamous relantships ect,
the postives and negatives of each types of Alternative relantships too.

It does seem quite likely these boys were acting out scenes they watched in online porn though, being as it was a gang anal rape.

I don’t recall ever learning about orgasms in school. I still understood human reproduction. I read about orgasms and sex in Mizz or Just 27.

So you did learn about at least one kind of human orgasm, which is essential for human reproduction.

Do you not think young people knew about orgasms before they were being taught about it in a classroom?

If they already know about it, then it's no harm to give them the facts in a school then is it? It would help clear up playground myths and half-heard stories from older siblings etc.

I think some people want to have schools teach their children literally everything about life. Parent your own child.

You could say this about literally anything on the syllabus though. Teach them algebra yourselves you lazy shites!

Sex and reproduction is something that almost every person will have to deal with at some point and it is a public health issue, therefore I think it's appointment to keep in schools.

Investigation, possible. Identifying what could be done, possible. Actually doing something about it, I think unlikely (though more likely than under Boris Johnson).

"I heard something about it being run by unauthorised organisations and people who campaign to undermine parents"

Why are unauthorised organisations in our schools ?

I gather that schools don't believe they have the expertise to deliver some of the material so they find outside organisations.

If they have a phone. I have already covered how some children, especially those from religious or abusive households, can be quite isolated from society.

Why would you not teach correct anatomy, like the clitoris, and it's function, i.e. pleasure? Is male ejaculation the only orgasm that matters?

Getting people riled up about sex education…. That’s what I mean.

There is a video of John Swinney at a public event being read out some of the sex education content he claimed to have read and endorsed. Licking anuses was one.

They tried to shut down the questioner saying that the event would be broadcast and the language he was using wasn't suitable. To which the questioner said (paraphrasing here) "well if you're not happy for it to be discussed in a room of adults then how can it possibly be suitable to be taught to children? "

Which side of the culture war benefits from the pornification of sex education?