Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

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Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

I don't really listen to priminister questions, but I was just channel hopping waiting for the kettle to boil

So IABU to dance a little dance?

YABU - no you misheard, he didn't say that/ he said it but it is meaningless

YANBU - yes you heard it, yes it means something, dance away

Good post @Treehappy

I read all replies with interest .. and dress it up anyway you like, this is about removing sex-Ed from schools, using the bizzare notion that if you teach someone about it, they will go and do it. There are safeguarding issues, and there will be more of them when we stop educating or young people.

I absolutely believe Anal Sex should be spoken about in schools, and choking, rimming ..and anything else you might want to talk about. The prevalence of porn is making this sort of stuff seem mainstream, with young women pressurised into behaving like they are in a porn film.

I don't think you understand. The people going into schools to teach RSE ARE part of the porn culture in our society normalising these acts. They are pro-porn, pro-sex work, boundary eroding queer theorists. They are making this stuff seem mainstream and they are part of the pressure on young girls to behave like they do in porn films.

Don't forget the 73, or 100 or whatever genders. Amongst which is this one, which is not even particularly outrageous relative to some others.

Caelgender: a gender that shares qualities with outer space or has the aesthetic of space, stars, nebulas, etc.

This horseshit is bring taught to children by unqualified drag queens. It's not sex education, it's nonsense at best; perversion at worst.

*being

@ExtraOnions

What girls and boys need is a porn critical message, to give them the information and permission to critique what they are seeing on porn and in society. I listened to a guy doing this work in Australia. He said when he talks to boys this is the first time they have had a porn critical message,. and he says they really engage with it. He knows the agencies teaching RSE in schools in Australia, it is contracted out like it is here, and they are all porn positive.

He said that not only are young girls having their boundaries eroded, but they don't even realise that is what is happening, due the prevalence of this porn culture. Its the same here.

You are completely wrong, and have ignored what pp have said, when you say this is about removing sex education. Its about having sex education based on healthy relationships, boundaries and the evidence of harms.

If you want to disagree, please do so honestly on what people are actually saying, rather than dismissing that and pretending they are saying something else.

I’m delighted!! Let’s just hope it’s meaningfully done. They need to get Stonewall and all the other ghouls out of schools.

It is 100% about removing sex ed, unless it conforms to a very tight (Daily Mail) view of what’s considered “normal”. How anyone can think any policy from the government is anything other than pandering to the right-wing is beyond me.

and yes, I’m GC, I believe there are two sexes, the gender stuff is mostly bollocks, a seperate services should be in place for women … if you are getting into bed with the Tories, believing that this is anything other than a tawdry vote winner… then good luck

Boris said he would get Brexit done.
Any number of Tory politicans have said that over the past many years that they will stop perfectly legal asylum seekers coming to the UK.
I have no doubt that Sunak will instigate some kind of investigation into RSE, it will take years. When it finally does conclude to the surprise of absolutely nobody who is involved with schools it will report that the vast majority of sex-education in schools is age appropriate, but there will be a few examples of inappropriate sex education that some national newspapers will jump on.

I don't think how-to kink guides by boundaryless pornsick third parties with no scrutiny or accountability, which would look like grooming in any other context, is a reasonable interpretation of sex education. If you think I lean towards Mary Whitehouse because I don't think we should be teaching kids how to safely choke one other to get their rocks off, then so be it.

Spoken about perhaps - if one of the children asks about something specific. But it shouldn’t be in any way normalised for children.

Technically there’s nothing you CAN’T do to the human body during sex. Choking, hitting, nasal sex, gangbangs, wearing a dog collar and eating out of a dog bowl, men wearing nappies, foreign bodies, sex with animals, being defecated on, snuff videos….where does it end? Should we discuss it all with 11 year olds?

In the last few years children have been taught in school lessons that anal sex is a way to avoid pregnancy (but teachers are not allowed to discuss the physical injuries it can cause the recipient, because that could be perceived as homophobia.) Doctors are now reporting a huge rise in teenage girls with serious anal injuries caused by ‘sex’.

Children have been taught that if they are sporty girls who like trousers, or gentle boys who like sparkle, then they have been born in the wrong body and should consider drugs and sterilising surgery.

Children have been referred for ‘support’ to websites that discuss choking, caging and gagging as healthy forms of sexual expression. Boys whose teenage girlfriends don’t ‘scream loudly enough’ during sex have asked if they should introduce choking.

If your friends had been taught all this at school, it would have made them more likely to suffer abuse, not less. Your ignorance on this topic is startling.

And calling women “pearl-clutchers” for discussing one of the most topical issues of 2023, that may well decide the next election, is misogynistic and patronising as hell. If you don’t think women are entitled to opinions, then perhaps Mumsnet is not the place for you.

…and also to point out, my daughter left high school last year - and wasn’t taught ANY of the things that are being mentioned in this thread.

Good for your daughter. But that’s a year ago. We have moved on.

im happy for my daughter to be educated safely on choking but I don’t want her told it’s a normal part of sex. There is a difference.

Considering his answer to "that really hard question", if he means and does what he says he can have my vote.

That's a big if with the tories, so I'll believe it when I see it.

I didn’t hear it but sounds good.

While I’m very anti teachers normalising sexual fetishes with children, I wouldn’t want to exaggerate or sensationalise what’s actually happening. Have you got evidence that teachers are telling pupils to have anal sex because it avoids pregnancy? Or that doctors are reporting huge rises in injuries amongst teenaged girls?

Great. There should be some uniformity and agreed consensus across all schools about reasonable expectations.

Who here, has had a child who has been taught some of this (more disturbing) stuff in school. I see a lot of Daily Mail headlines, but not much to back it up.

I think that's part of the problem. There's no obligation on schools to make the resources that they are using available to parents, so the scale and degree of the fetishing of sex education is unknown. Marian Cates has asked for a review and that should provide some clarity on the situation. From talking with my teens, we seem to have a reasonable school on this topic.

People like Peter Tatchell are getting involved with sex education in schools. Just a reminder that he has been in the press talking about 9 year olds boys having sex.

I would welcome a complete ban on outside organisations coming in to talk to children in schools about sex. Most of the outrage reported in the press seems to come when external suppliers come in. It seems to attract a certain "type" of adult. 🚩 The type of adult that should be kept well away from children.

What improper sex Ed? Telling kids that they are more than two sexes? That families can be made up of one or more genders? People can call themselves he she or them?

What is improper?

Yeah, ideological bollocks that there is more than two sexes and that gender stereotyping is a good thing, should be kept out of sex ed.

Beyond being taught about puberty, the act of sex, sexuality, contraception, pregnancy/STD risks and having appropriate boundaries / consent what further role should the state have when it comes to sex ed?

Teaching gender ideology, kink and QT is over reach.

And if that makes me a pearl clutcher so be it.

You've got yo be a fucking idiot to put weight on the words of the guy though.