To ask what stops you voting for the tories ?

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For me
The unending shite that is brexit
Corruption and dishonesty, especially during the pandemic but not uniquely. And not just Johnson.
Making already deprived areas compete against each other for levelling up money whilst perfectly affluent tory voting areas are handed it on a plate (looking at Richmond N yorks Rishi ! ). Funny that 80% of constituencies getting levelling up funds are tory...
Whole culture war. Singling out certain minorities to attack for purely political gain. In the 80s single mums, 90s benefit claimants, 2000s refugees, immigrants. FWIW I'm fairly gender critical but disliked the way they toadied round Trump and his abhorrent opinions/followers who pretty much wrote the culture war playbook.
So what stops you from voting for them ?

Don't tell me why, I can guess. Let's trash the whole country because you can't stand that trans people exist.
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One of which being that they give a flying fuck about women's rights.

The lies, the greed, the nepotism, the incompetence, the gleeful, wanton cruelty towards poor people and immigrants, the ruining, dismantling and selling of public institutions that belong to us, and the fact that a good portion of them seem to be sociopaths.

They put themselves first, then their friends, then their party, and then the country comes a very poor fourth. There was the odd, decent, thoughtful Tory I respected, such as Rory Stewart, but Johnson drove them out.

I will never, ever vote for them. Even though I won't vote for the other parties either until they come back to reality about what a woman is and promise to protect our sex based rights.

"They put themselves first, then their friends, then their party, and then the country comes a very poor fourth."
You are being very naive if you think this is not true of all politicians. It is not a profession that attracts good people.

It used to be. I’d be perfectly happy with a Tory government like the pre 1997 ones, even Thatcher’s had some integrity and contained people who genuinely believed they were doing their best for the country. This lot …

They’re all heartless c*nts.

• Brexit/economy -they should never have agreed to a referendum and once (too late) they’d realised what they’d got themselves into, they absolutely should have kept in the single market. Hard Brexit was a 100% predictable failure. Remember ‘Project fear’ anyone?? Not being content with messing that up, Liz Truss tanked what precious little we had of the economy.

• Public services are near collapse. It’s an absolute travesty and should terrify anyone who isn’t a multi millionaire

• Serious restrictions on civil liberties during covid whilst basic sensible measures weren’t being taken.

• Conservative values where it seems the super rich people get to dictate to everyone else and treat everyone else poorly.

• Removal of tax credits which largely benefitted lower middle class and working poor and made many families better off.

• Ongoing erosion of community and parental life e.g doubling down on ridiculous attendance targets

• Private rentals are insanely expensive. We need to build more social housing and in the meantime we need rent control in at least our big cities and give longer tenure.

I’m a life long labour supporter but I need to see that they’ve learnt some lessons from where the tories went wrong. I’m disappointed by breakfast clubs for example. I don’t want to ship my kids off at 7.30am, I want to be able to live with two professionals working 1.5FT between us and actually see my children. In the past that was totally possible.

I don't think it is true of all politicians. Having listened to The Rest Is Politics (until I gave it up because of Campbell's misogyny), I do think the decent ones find they have to sell their soul the devil and are more likely to become jaded or give up for their mental health. I also don't think there's quite such an equivalently awful version of Mogg, Dorries, Johnson, Braverman, Patel, et al in other parties.

They’ve done a lot of damage. The lack of democracy - too many cushy links with law and media. Links to Russian money and oligarchs. The empty, meaningless hopium. The truth twisting propaganda. Brexshit. The erosion of right to a quiet protest. Watching the NHS crumble and knowing that the govt is not that interested. The legal system has also suffered badly under austerity measures.

The tories stop me voting for them because they are entitled and corrupt. They do not do anything for the working man. Its all about themselves and their rich donors.

An to top it all they look down on the very people who voted them in last time and will again.
They are so bloody dishonest
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Labour, Lib Dems/ Greens.

I just wish there was a Conservative party

You'd have to be a complete sucker to vote for the party that has demonstrably lied and lied and lied to you, wouldn't you?

You'd have to be a complete sucker to vote for the party that forced you to remortgage wouldn't you?

You'd have to be a complete sucker to vote for the party hat has British people paying the highest electricity prices in the world..

You'd have to be a complete sucker to vote for the party who tried to convince you that turnips were a useful substitution for tomatoes, and that expecting to be able to eat salad year round like we did prior to Brexit was somehow unreasonable.

And mumma didn't raise no sucker!

The destruction of public services and public infrastructure and their general insanely stupid ideas about only the excessive wealth of a few, and percentage points growth in it, being of any importance.

The trouble is that Labour aren’t showing me anything better either and haven’t since that most right wing of neoliberalists, Blair. Corbyn never should have been an outlier. Kinnock’s warnings have come true and all they can talk about is destroying women’s rights.

People didn't want to vote for Corbyn. He lost 2 general elections, the second one much more heavily than the first. There's no point in Labour if they can't win elections.

Labour would rather be 'right' or 'right on' than win.

Ignoring the 'right on' bit. I long for politicians that would rather be right than win. IMO uncomfortable truths are better than comfortable lies. Unfortunately, comfortable lies always seem to win.

But politicians who never win can never do anything, no matter how "right" they are.

Then Labour for much of its history are for you.

Sadly they don't get voted into power all that often. You could think of them like a pressure group if it helps.

Totally agree. After the shambles of the last three years I suspect a lot of people are beginning to agree with us.

So they should lie just to get into power, just like the current bunch of Tories?

The very fact that they fuck the most vulnerable in our society in every which way they can.
The vulnerable are forgotten or demonised and forgotten by thus political party.

The problem is, I do not like labour either, but they are the lesser of the two evils.

I think there's a Tory voter worldview I just don't hold or understand.

For instance: some people seem to be very annoyed about how much money people who apply for asylum in the UK cost to be put up in hotels and are angry at the people requesting asylum about it.

To the extent of setting fire to police vans in some cases.

Me? I know that our government force people who want to apply for asylum in the UK to actually come here by not letting them apply unless they are here on British soil.

This must make the people trafficking gangs very happy.

And I know that the government take years to process asylum applications, during which time the government contract to house them is very lucrative for companies like Serco whose whole reason to exist is to take our public money into their private hands.

To anyone who understands the situation the solution to the small boats situation is to provide safe legal routes to apply, and to process claims quickly.

Not to demonise refugees and asylum seekers.

But that's not what the government are doing, is it?

They should be prepared to make compromises to get into power.

Of course they should. And then we get another bunch of corrupt charlatans. No thanks.

What is the alternative? A dictatorship?