To ask what stops you voting for the tories ?

[Icandothattoo]

For me
The unending shite that is brexit
Corruption and dishonesty, especially during the pandemic but not uniquely. And not just Johnson.
Making already deprived areas compete against each other for levelling up money whilst perfectly affluent tory voting areas are handed it on a plate (looking at Richmond N yorks Rishi ! ). Funny that 80% of constituencies getting levelling up funds are tory...
Whole culture war. Singling out certain minorities to attack for purely political gain. In the 80s single mums, 90s benefit claimants, 2000s refugees, immigrants. FWIW I'm fairly gender critical but disliked the way they toadied round Trump and his abhorrent opinions/followers who pretty much wrote the culture war playbook.
So what stops you from voting for them ?

Their ideology

Oh but they do conserve - just anything and everything for their selves and their big, fay back pocket wallets.

Except they don't believe that. They were voted into in part to get control of our borders. when voters feel that borders are under control feelings about imgration relax (the polls all show this to be true). People don't mind imigration if they feel there is some control. It is a myth the left like to put about that Brexit voters/Tory/ etc don't care about assylum seekers or are racists.

Despite the fact that most people know that France is a safe country (this weeks riots aside!) ; despite the fact that most people know the boats are mostly filled with young men likely to be economic migrants; despite the fact that most people know that a significant proportion of people getting into boats are from countries like Albanians who are not at war so Albanians cannot be seeking assylum; despite the fact that most people know that criminal gangs are profiteering out of people want to come here; desite the fact that people are dying from these little boat crossings; despite that stopping these boat crossings is clearly a damn good idea... you want to make a cheap point based on no real evidence.

If immigration is got under control and the boats stop then it will be a much easier idea to sell to the public to take more genuine assylum seekers from camps in Syria - families, women children, old people, the ill, injured and disabled as opposed to young men with sharp elbows.

But I don't think the left really want to doing anything actually useful, they just want to monster the Tories.

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1639689865238306816?s=19

It must be very difficult for you @Icandothattoo if you also consider that Keir Starmer lied about Jeremy Corbyn being the right man to put in number 10, lied about Corbyn being his friend, lied about Brexit and now apparently about his views on gender and self-id too.

And Starmer appears to be unable to make any suggestions about what to do about the boats in the channel other than letting everyone stay which will encourage more boats and mean more deaths.

The LibDems and the Greens also lie about not knowing what a woman is. The Scottish Greens care more about gender than the environment and are prepared to give up their toe-hold on power in the Scottish government if the SNP won't do what they ask, not on the envirnoment, but on gender!

I can only assume you're going to vote for Laurence Fox who is consistent whether you like him or not.

Being a fundamentally decent human being...

Overwhelmingly it's the lies.

Even if they have a policy or make a change that I agree with, I can't believe that it will actually happen or that it wont be a scam to allow them to bring in their corrupt friends.

They've lied so much and been so corrupt that they have now become completely unbelievable.

My conscious.
The whole selfish approach that undermines the fabric of society.
Tbe way they perpetrate such a selfish back ward looking ideology.
But also their policies always cause so much damage that Labour have to put right.
I'm not keen on Labour

The fact they’re arrogant, self-serving, corrupt, incompetent pricks.

I don't share their ideology or values. Hence have never voted them and never will.

NHS/ cost of living/ cheese and wine parties

A brain and a conscience.

1. When the tories came to power net migration was around +256k pa, with 604k people moving into the UK in 2010. Last year it was +504k, with 1.06m people arriving. More people moved to the UK in 8 of the 13 years Tories have ruled than in any of the previouse 13 years that Labour ruled before them. Anyone voting tory because they think they'll "take back control of our borders" is a fucking moron.

2. Nowhere in the refugee convention does it state that someone must seek asylum in the first safe country they reach. I can only assume you are willfully ignorant of this point as it is constantly being dispelled. Even if you are trying to make some wider point about asylum seekers staying away from the UK, the vast vast majority do this anyway, with only a tiny portion trying make it to the UK (who usually those with some sort of tie to the UK already).

3. Over 70% of asylum claims from people who have arrived by crossing the Channel are approved, so clearly the majority are not economic migrants.

4. The country you are fleeing from does not have to be at war for someone to claim asylum and I've no idea why you would even think that?

5. Investigations have revealed that the majority of the smuggling gangs operate out of the UK, yet the tories have cut the police, military, and border forces and show no signs of even attempting to track/arrest the gang members/leaders. Instead they prefer to vilify the victims.

6. The majority of the boat crossing would stop overnight if the Tories created a safe, legal route to claiming asylum. mographic frothing at the mouth

7)"The left" aren't in power, the tories are. However, the tories have no interest in actually "stopping the boats" or "taking back control of our borders". If they did they could have implemented all sorts of controls or measures at any point over the past 13 years yet have chose not too, why? Becuase "immigration" is their go to diversion subject, that is all but guaranteed to get a certain demographic frothing at the mouth and punching down instead of holding the actual people in power to account.

The latest Led By Donkeys investigation isn't helping:

twitter.com/bydonkeys/status/1639689865238306816?s=46&t=1F3_GXoDvLPajCYTYkHKGg

Thatcher, mainly. I grew up under thatcher and the Tory policies devastated my community. Thousands of people who had worked hard and wanted to work let go with no jobs to go to and a benefits system that Othered and demonized them. Because of what that government did, I couldn’t bring myself to vote Tory unless they had become a totally different party.

They haven’t. Current government is no different at its core. Though they say a few of the right things, their policies run down the institutions that serve the majority of us.

Also, the corruption, which is utterly corrosive to democracy, would be enough to stop me even if I thought they were offering good policies.

Everything about them.

• the fact that while my young DSIL was grieving her dad alone and my brother and partner lost a baby they were getting drunk and partying
• the lies
• The destruction of our public services
• the lies
• brexit
• the shit show that was the entire liz truss situation
• the polluting of our rivers
• the lies

What a load of absolute bollocks. You do nothing but prove that Tory voters are indeed selfish, stupid, idiots. They have been bloody awful since Thatcher, selling off all our public resources, and have made the UK a laughing stock. If you can still vote Tory after their blatant cronyism and corruption, you truly have no soul.

It’s ironic that that the Tories have been throwing public money around like confetti, subsidizing anything that moves, presided over highest taxation since the war, run businesses out of the country, increased debt, printed almost a trillion pounds, over half of that to pay for draconian left wing Covid restrictions

Some very solid reasons there not too allow them back into Govt again in 2024, as you say, the tories are a disaster for the country.

The drag on the economy from Brexit will continue to build for 15 years

Our spending power still won't be back to 2019 levels by the late 2020s

Tories aren't the only ones who voted for Brexit and Starmer won't unwind the damage as he has ruled out SM and CU, without which, we can't really have much of a better deal than we have already, fine tuning perhaps but fundamentally the same costs to trade etc.

One reason i won't vote Labour.

Their lack of understanding of human nature and inability to emphasise

Things can change...

Physically couldn't do it. So I just won't vote at all. Labour hates women, and that's a sticking point for me. Greens are too stupid to live. Fckers.

I've always lived in Tory safe seats, but this time I'll vote for anybody who can get the Tories out. The country can't afford more years like this, and I vote primarily on what I think would be best for our country.