To ask what stops you voting for the tories ?

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For me
The unending shite that is brexit
Corruption and dishonesty, especially during the pandemic but not uniquely. And not just Johnson.
Making already deprived areas compete against each other for levelling up money whilst perfectly affluent tory voting areas are handed it on a plate (looking at Richmond N yorks Rishi ! ). Funny that 80% of constituencies getting levelling up funds are tory...
Whole culture war. Singling out certain minorities to attack for purely political gain. In the 80s single mums, 90s benefit claimants, 2000s refugees, immigrants. FWIW I'm fairly gender critical but disliked the way they toadied round Trump and his abhorrent opinions/followers who pretty much wrote the culture war playbook.
So what stops you from voting for them ?

You have got a point, but unless money and an awful lot of it, is thrown at the NHS or whatever takes its place, hi quality IT systems cannot be put in place.

A lot of the NHS doesn't even have the basics of 10/100 LAN, let alone giga bit & hospitals (even in the same county) aren't all networked together either... private industry can upgrade 1000s of switches etc and pass the costs on, the NHS can't do this, private industry can shut down to cut over a new system, NHS cannot not... so look what happened when TSB tried to upgrade its ancient IT ?

Very hard for a Govt to say "we will spend £25bn on new nhs IT but not pay Dr's nurses etc more than 5%..." as they so many leave the country to work abroad...

Corruption and dishonesty.

This.

They exhibit all the hall marks of a long term relationship that isn't working.

I see a lot of people in the older traditional Conservative voter demographic and they are valiantly sticking up for traditional Conservatives values whilst simulataneously being absolutely pissed off with the mess the current leftovers of a party have made of things. There is a definite lack of trust.

I don't think they will vote Red in this area, possibly Yellow/Green ( areas with coastline or rivers used for leisure might see an uptick in Green due to the absolutely appalling and almost constant pollution of our waterways and coastline ) if the candidate is right, but I can't see any of them making a concerted effort to vote Blue either.

Interesting times ahead !

It needs a lot more reform than simply reducing waiting times. That's not reform at all, that's just throwing money at a failed system.

@Florenz What sort of reform are you talking about ? Its almost like you think the NHS hasn't changed since its inception, which is ludicrous given all the changes it has been made to make by whichever political party is in charge at the time, you clearly have some idea of what you would like to see, so please do share that with us.

I take it you aren't talking about privatisation because that appears to have failed in every other aspect in the UK as far as the paying consumer is concerned ? Anyone tried to contact Open reach or their phone or internet provider recently ? their energy supplier ? How are the water companies faring ? Trains ?

I might have missed one where the consumer has got a much better service and better rates, if so please do let me and the rest of the UK know which model of privatisation works because we as a country are struggling to see any at the moment. Currently the modus operandi seems to be pay more get less.

I'll add another reason:that vile man Robert Jenrick painting over the cartoons at a children's refugee centre. Who would be so cruel, other than someone with his politics?

Thank you for mentioning the cretinous Jenrick. What an utter pig of a man. Imagine having to live in his head. Vile man. And a father too I believe.

Jenrick is utter scum. He's stolen £100,000 in expenses for a third home, helped a Party donor avoid paying somewhere between £30,000,000 and £50,000,000 in infrastructure levies to Tower Hamlets borough council and around £150,000,000 in taxes, and has persistently delayed proceedings of the Grenfell Tower inquiry to protect the interests of property developers. I'm surprised he only painted over the murals at the children's asylum centre: I'm sure he would rather have given the building to one of his financial backers and left the children to be kidnapped, which appears to be Home Office policy anyway.

People who vote for The Party are disgusting.

Didn’t he also break lockdown rules very early on, though of course he had some special situation dispensation and it was all brushed under the carpet. He’s only 41 but utterly corroded.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/10/women-voters-derail-tory-party-conservative-election/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/gb-news-ashfield-conservative-jacob-reesmogg-parliament-b2372680.html

Mostly Gove to be fair.

everything they stand for.

Hell would have to freeze over before i ever vote Tory.

Tories and their voters are elitist misogynists who're only interested in lining their own pockets.. how ANYONE can vote Tory while claiming to care about other people or the environment baffles me.

They're an old boys club that is is just infested with corruption, hatred and lies.

Serendipity, I misread that post. I'm very disappointed that 30p won't be suspended under investigation for using the roof to film a porno. It would have seen him off for good. Sadly, he lurks on.

It was just one example at random of the casual insouciance Tories have towards the society they despise:

Rules are for losers. Might is right. Poverty is deserved, and material wealth fetishized.

I know. It's grim. I did misread your original post and the only part that engendered surprise was that it mentioned Anderson. Didn't seem like his cup of tea so looked again. Had it named other moralising right-wing hypocrites who belong to the sleaze party, filming a porno on the parliamentary roof would have been completely unsurprising given their documented behaviour during covid.

You could have just stopped at "the unending shite..." Sums it up perfectly

I think Jenrick’s cruelty to children has made it clear that the Conservatives are not the party for decent people. It’s their Trumpian “children in cages” moment.

Not so sure. Someone voted for Jenrick. And they did it knowing he was an utter scumbag too.

They’re currently doing what many right wing parties have a propensity for doing when they’ve run out of issues to campaign on - go all in on demonizing refugees and hyping the issue as the most serious facing the country.

But when you’ve got to the point that you start committing random acts of spite towards very vulnerable children, you’ve probably pushed it too far for most voters (save for the most enthusiastic racists and/or child abusers).

Mum2jenny · 06/03/2023 19:45
Agree, but I cannot vote for Labour or any of the others, so I either don’t vote, spoil the ballot paper or tick the Conservatives box…

Why not? Not being argumentative but just curious.

Surely you should wait until election time and see what each party says in its manifesto.

I’ve never voted Conservative, but if they had the best policies to tackle the climate emergency, build up the NHS, reduce inequality and boost education, and I trusted them (would take a wholesale change in the key players for that to happen), I’d vote for them.

Blind loyalty to one party, or blind avoidance of another, doesn’t make sense to me. It’s about policies and whether they can be trusted to see them through and be honest.

I think a more pertinent questions is "What would make you vote for the Tories?"

The Tories screwed our economy and now we are paying for it with pay restraint, inflation and hundreds of pounds on our mortgage payment every month.

Why should we take the punishment because our corrupt government funnelled billions to their mates, took us out of our main export market, and the financial community doesn’t consider them trustworthy or sensible?

“Believing things that aren’t true” is the main reason in my experience.