To ask what stops you voting for the tories ?

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For me
The unending shite that is brexit
Corruption and dishonesty, especially during the pandemic but not uniquely. And not just Johnson.
Making already deprived areas compete against each other for levelling up money whilst perfectly affluent tory voting areas are handed it on a plate (looking at Richmond N yorks Rishi ! ). Funny that 80% of constituencies getting levelling up funds are tory...
Whole culture war. Singling out certain minorities to attack for purely political gain. In the 80s single mums, 90s benefit claimants, 2000s refugees, immigrants. FWIW I'm fairly gender critical but disliked the way they toadied round Trump and his abhorrent opinions/followers who pretty much wrote the culture war playbook.
So what stops you from voting for them ?

How long before Mel Brooks makes a new musical? Springtime for Braverman?

Half the young folk we know seem to be in various stages of sorting themselves out an Irish passport.

An a few hypocritical Brexiters.

Most Tory MPs seem to have EU country passports oddly enough.

@verdantverdure "Most Tory MPs seem to have EU country passports oddly enough."

"Most Tory MPs seem to have EU country passports oddly enough."

Most??

I have no reputable source for that info How many and which passports MPs and Lords hold is private.

Pre-Brexit the strongest passports in the world were the U.K. and the US, so the powerful and privileged often want to replace the UK's weaker Brexity one with one that confers the same rights to visa free travel as we used to have.

Japan's is the strongest passport now.

But buying one from Cyprus is easy if you're rich, and confers EU privileges.

Germany and Spain are ranked 3rd in the world now so they're a good bet.

Then Finland, Italy, Luxembourg, then Austria, Denmark, Netherlands, Sweden,...

@verdantverdure ah, right. So you don't actually know how many of the 350ish Tory MPs are now seeking EU passports.

Sorry-have EU passports.

Whole culture war. Singling out certain minorities to attack for purely political gain. In the 80s single mums, 90s benefit claimants, 2000s refugees, immigrants. FWIW I'm fairly gender critical but disliked the way they toadied round Trump and his abhorrent opinions/followers who pretty much wrote the culture war playbook.

Confused on this one. Trump is the opposite of "gender critical", he even objectifies his own daughters because a woman's a woman above all. There was a cabal of weirdo Brexiteers (led by Johnson) who sucked up to Trump and let him think he had their ear, but I'm not sure how much they ever did for him. But it was nutters like Gove and Fabricant and Elphicke and the dude who tried to get Duda to kick the UK out of the EU early; even Cameron and Osborne weren't tonguing Trump's butthole and I doubt that Sunak would bother either if he gets the chance.

The so-called "culture wars" stuff, though - Labour is just as responsible as the Conservatives for fanning the flames, although the UK press is by far the worst. SNP, Plaid, and the NI parties do their versions of it too. They all refuse to see that this stuff arises from concrete issues and IS REAL to people who care about it. (Many) voters may be lazy and biased and refuse to think critically or keep themselves continuously and reliably informed, but these "wars" are a symptom and expression of genuine pain, even if the expression is misguided. Both Labs and Cons have made a hash of immigration for decades rather than dealing with the real issues that people misinterpret as "too many immigrants". There are no heros in any of this.

I must say, however, that Louise Mensch is a trailblazing visionary genius. People said "pooh pooh, of course you can't keep your post as an MP and extreme telecommute from New York just cos your husband has a new gig!!" and now one can! Louise was just ahead of her time.

No. I have nothing to substantiate it with.

Toadied around trump.

I shouldn't bite but it's so annoying.

Blair buddied up with colonal gaddafi.

It's so boring.

Look at both sides and choose which bits you like from both you will be much happier

What stops me voting for the Tories?

Well you know how Boris Johnson used Brexit voters to mount a power grab?

And Suella Braverman is using racists to do similar at the moment?

I don't want to be used like that.

I don't like to think I'm that easily manipulated.

Especially twice.

Suella Braverman is very unpopular with the British public, far less than Sunak (which is not saying much).

I know there are a lot of pro Tory posters, but these polls are barely shifting. My guess is that people do not like this extremism and they will vote accordingly

How are those 40 hospitals Boris Johnson promised us in 2019 coming along?

It's been a few years...

According to Jonny Mercer MP for a Plymouth constituency, even when there is NO planning application in, no funding, no staff, when the local NHS trust has said they can't even afford a new Cavell treatment centre and the Govt has refused funding... he insists he is getting Plymouth a new district hospital.... accusing the new leader of Plymouth council of lying.

... & people support Mercer... quite unbelievable.

I believe Brexit is a very rare example of something that can't just be reversed by the next government

Don't confuse "can't" with "won't".

Johnny Mercer isn't getting Plymouth anything, is he?

It was promised four years ago.

Do they think we are stupid?

Come next election he's unlikely to still be an MP, and his party certainly won't be in power.

Perhaps he could get them some more trees?

The thing about the Brexiteers being all things to all men and telling us vague old nonsense like "Brexit means Brexit" and that nobody was threatening our place in the single market, and we could have a Norway type deal, exact same benefits etc is that future governments are not tied to the terms of Boris Johnson's Brexit deal. It can be renegotiated by any competent government operating in good faith. SM + CU, job done.

Since Boris Johnson's Brexit deal is the second worst possible Brexit (only No deal would be worse) it's a piece of cake to sort out a better Brexit deal.

If we truly want the exact same benefits as EU membership though, and go back to normal, we need to rejoin.

And we will.

We just have to wait for enough people to realise it.

There are Tory councils all over the country who need to cut down loads of trees in order to fulfil the dodgy development deals they've made.

I hope the outcry about the Plymouth Tories chopping down trees in the dead of night makes them hesitate.

Just wait until people in Devon and the New Forest cotton on to the fact that Exmoor and the New Forest are now in Freeports.

Where environmental law, tax law, labour laws and planning laws can be "relaxed".

Just wait until people in Devon and the New Forest cotton on to the fact that Exmoor and the New Forest are now in Freeports.

Well, Cornwall has been trading on its history of smuggling for a long time. Now Devon will have real, live smugglers by the hundred.

Boris Johnson.

Because they know the price of everything and the value of nothing- have no long term planning for the benefit of all- just measures that mainly benefit their own voting base.even the population of Windsor voted them out in local elections. They seem to be determined to appeal only to people these days in xenophobic crappy towns or the seriously wealthy- or some of the over 80s- anyone else can go fuck themselves.

My sense of decency, fairness and justice.

Boris Johnson promised 40 new hospitals in 2019, and Steve Barclay has just promised them again today.

They must think Tory voters are complete spanners.