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To ask what stops you voting for the tories ?

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Icandothattoo · 06/03/2023 19:38

For me
The unending shite that is brexit
Corruption and dishonesty, especially during the pandemic but not uniquely. And not just Johnson.
Making already deprived areas compete against each other for levelling up money whilst perfectly affluent tory voting areas are handed it on a plate (looking at Richmond N yorks Rishi ! ). Funny that 80% of constituencies getting levelling up funds are tory...
Whole culture war. Singling out certain minorities to attack for purely political gain. In the 80s single mums, 90s benefit claimants, 2000s refugees, immigrants. FWIW I'm fairly gender critical but disliked the way they toadied round Trump and his abhorrent opinions/followers who pretty much wrote the culture war playbook.
So what stops you from voting for them ?

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KellyJonesLeatherTrousers · 30/04/2023 07:27

My core beliefs which include fairness, equity and honesty.

Kendodd · 30/04/2023 10:11

Alexandra2001 · 30/04/2023 07:09

I met my cousin for lunch recently, Tory party member, has been for decades, we rarely talk politics.

As we were saying our goodbyes, she asked me what i thought of Sunak, she then said she was really impressed by him.... standard stuff... so far.... then amazingly said "BUT they don't seem to have done anything, everything is broken, especially housing, i wont be voting for them at the next GE"

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Actually, they're still polling about 29%
Can you believe it?
Nearly 3 in 10 people, look around at the state of the country, the poverty, the collapse of public services, the crashing of the economy, how we've fallen so far compared to our neighbours, the shit in the sea and the erosion of our right to protest all of the above (actually they probably love to take away protest rights). Anyway, they look at all of the above, and think 'yes, the party that delivered all of the above is the party for me". Or even the old "you can't trust Labour " . Can't trust them to do what? They'd have to make a really determined and deliberate effort to do more damage than the Tories have done.

LlynTegid · 30/04/2023 10:42

Polling at 29% does not mean getting only 29% of votes cast when it comes to local or a general election. Once you consider that people often are 'don't knows' instead of saying they vote Tory (has been the case for many years, think of 1992 for example), and the impact of the biased ID requirement.

verdantverdure · 30/04/2023 11:38

We have a relative who is an ex Tory councillor and mayor and I don't think even HE is planning on voting for them in the next couple of elections.

verdantverdure · 30/04/2023 12:53

FatOaf · 29/04/2023 22:17

@verdantverdure - that's shocking. Have you reported it to the electoral commission? (Not that they actually have any power to do anything about it, mind.)

Yeah, it's been reported. (Not my area, I saw it on Twitter.)

MrsTWH · 30/04/2023 12:56

I don’t understand why people say they won’t vote for the alternatives. Why not give them a chance? How could they be any worse than what we have now?

verdantverdure · 30/04/2023 17:14

MrsTWH · 30/04/2023 12:56

I don’t understand why people say they won’t vote for the alternatives. Why not give them a chance? How could they be any worse than what we have now?

I assume it's laziness.

Can't be arsed to look into the facts, or consider or think.

Just made a decision at some point and finds it easier just to stick with that.

verdantverdure · 03/05/2023 14:14

I think it's quite serious that you can't get a police officer when you need one because after 13 years of cuts they don't have the manpower.

I'm completely horrified that rape is no longer a priority to be attended promptly and not worthy of a 999 call.

Fraud is apparently 41% of all crime. We're all vulnerable and it costs the country a fortune.

And the Tories try to exclude it from the crime figures saying people don't care about it.

Party of law and order?

Do me a favour!

To ask what stops you voting for the tories ?
Florenz · 03/05/2023 14:26

I'm not convinced that Labour will be any tougher on crime. Hiring more police won't do much if they aren't allowed to do anything. Keir Starmer is a former human rights lawyer, that doesn't bode well.

What we need the PM to stand up and declare total war on crime and criminals. tell them to leave the country or spend the rest of their lives in fear and pain. All politicians just say the right words but don't have the mettle to actually do anything. Look at Tony Blair, "Tough on crime, Tough on the causes of crime".

SerendipityJane · 03/05/2023 15:05

The best way to reduce crime, is to reduce the environment that feeds and nurtures it. The police have a vested interest in keeping crime figures high, as it means more money for them year on year. A falling crime rate would be a disaster for our police.

(Another way to reduce crime is to stop inventing "crimes", but that horse has also bolted).

xyxygy · 03/05/2023 15:10

Florenz · 03/05/2023 14:26

I'm not convinced that Labour will be any tougher on crime. Hiring more police won't do much if they aren't allowed to do anything. Keir Starmer is a former human rights lawyer, that doesn't bode well.

What we need the PM to stand up and declare total war on crime and criminals. tell them to leave the country or spend the rest of their lives in fear and pain. All politicians just say the right words but don't have the mettle to actually do anything. Look at Tony Blair, "Tough on crime, Tough on the causes of crime".

Yes, human rights are an awful thing...

Look at the US for an example of how police forces behave when there aren't any pesky human rights laws to protect the population from them.

Checks and balances are important, and there's nothing wrong with ensuring they're enforced. Human rights laws do not prevent the police from doing their jobs, they prevent the police from doing their jobs badly.

Florenz · 03/05/2023 15:35

Law-abiders absolutely deserve human rights and not should have to fear the police. But law-breakers should lose their human rights upon conviction. You can't break the law and then expect to hide behind the law when it suits.

xyxygy · 03/05/2023 15:41

Florenz · 03/05/2023 15:35

Law-abiders absolutely deserve human rights and not should have to fear the police. But law-breakers should lose their human rights upon conviction. You can't break the law and then expect to hide behind the law when it suits.

Wow.

SerendipityJane · 03/05/2023 15:44

Florenz · 03/05/2023 15:35

Law-abiders absolutely deserve human rights and not should have to fear the police. But law-breakers should lose their human rights upon conviction. You can't break the law and then expect to hide behind the law when it suits.

This is a UK site, for people living in the UK. Whilst it's obviously fascinating to hear views from alternate realities, until we can travel there, they are of limited use here.

Incidentally what do you use for currency in your universe ? Have you transcended money yet ?

verdantverdure · 03/05/2023 19:15

Florenz · 03/05/2023 15:35

Law-abiders absolutely deserve human rights and not should have to fear the police. But law-breakers should lose their human rights upon conviction. You can't break the law and then expect to hide behind the law when it suits.

You want to take away Boris Johnson's human rights for breaking his own covid laws?!

Harsh.

LadyKenya · 03/05/2023 19:20

Their disgusting racism, deplorable treatment of the poor, and disabled people. They at the core of their values do not, and never will represent a party that I would ever vote for. And do not get me started on everything that has come out, and continues to, regarding giving a contract to friends, contacts etc. The rampant corruption stinks.

User135644 · 03/05/2023 19:21

xyxygy · 27/04/2023 21:23

The sheer incompetence. It's pretty clear that, past the second term, they're pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel, which was originally full of people who weren't really qualified to run any of the departments they were responsible for in the first place.

I mean...austerity was a reasonable response to the crap that the previous government had left us with. If Cameron's government weren't idiots in the second term, it would've put us in good stead for moving forwards...but they weren't, so it continued. And then, because it wasn't really working, we got Brexit, which set the stage for the real incompetents to come forward, and...well, add a global disaster to an already wrecked country that was supposed to be entering recovery but managed to assiduously avoid it, and here we are.

Labour can't fix this - nobody can, in even two terms. We might be able to recover a bit, but it's going to be more than a decade before we're even approaching parity with where we were even five years ago, much less the heydays of the early 2000s.

Not only do we need to get the current shower of shit as far away from government as is possible, we need a series of boring, more-or-less centrist governments to just knuckle down and get the job done.

All austerity did was store up problems which costs you more in the long run (monetarily or otherwise).

Cutting police numbers to the bone and fire services etc is not sensible, especially while you deliver tax cuts to the rich (trickle down is bullshit, poorer people spend what money they have, put less in their pocket and the economy stalls).

xyxygy · 03/05/2023 20:44

User135644 · 03/05/2023 19:21

All austerity did was store up problems which costs you more in the long run (monetarily or otherwise).

Cutting police numbers to the bone and fire services etc is not sensible, especially while you deliver tax cuts to the rich (trickle down is bullshit, poorer people spend what money they have, put less in their pocket and the economy stalls).

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Exactly - but it does stop the clock and help get your house in order. It was a good temporary measure, but they just didn't have a plan for how to get out of it.

IrregularChoiceFan · 03/05/2023 20:49

I won't vote for them but I'll tell you what WOULD make me vote for them, the fact they are the only candidate to come to my house, hand me a leaflet after actually ringing the door bell and telling me how to contact them if I have a problem.

I have heard nothing from Labour or LibDems, not even a circular! I live in a pretty safe Tory seat area, this is where the Labour and LibDem candidates SHOULD be canvassing!

Karen398 · 03/05/2023 21:19

Policies which most affect the vulnerable- bedroom tax, widowed parents allowance being changed to only 18 months Bereavement Support Payment rather than until your child is 16, a policy which his directly affected my family. The benefit cap, 2 child cap, I could go on. Policies which do not support those most in need

AlyssumandHelianthus · 03/05/2023 21:25

The way they are treating the NHS is a massive part of it, but also the cronyism.

Yellowdays · 03/05/2023 22:57

The list is endless.Even today I saw another Tory MP was taking cash every month for questions in the house. Dreadful people.

FeltedDogs · 04/05/2023 03:59

I would still vote for them but they need to dismantle the NHS and actually follow through on their intention and be honest about it. The old NHS wasn't fit for purpose, it's fine but just do something about it. If they would only make a new semi private system and also allow police to attend a regular persons report when some asshole has broken into heir House and stolen their stuff, they would have my vote. Everyone would benefit if they could have these things and under labour, money will be chucked at these things with smoke and mirrors while people still don't have any power to make choices about their health and security. That said, I really like Keir, but one man can't control a party with no identity. If a Blair type was available, I would vote for them.

verdantverdure · 04/05/2023 17:58

Disenfranchising the poor is exercising me today

To ask what stops you voting for the tories ?
To ask what stops you voting for the tories ?
annoyedwife2023 · 04/05/2023 18:03

Racism/Discrimination against ethnic minorities.