To ask what stops you voting for the tories ?

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For me
The unending shite that is brexit
Corruption and dishonesty, especially during the pandemic but not uniquely. And not just Johnson.
Making already deprived areas compete against each other for levelling up money whilst perfectly affluent tory voting areas are handed it on a plate (looking at Richmond N yorks Rishi ! ). Funny that 80% of constituencies getting levelling up funds are tory...
Whole culture war. Singling out certain minorities to attack for purely political gain. In the 80s single mums, 90s benefit claimants, 2000s refugees, immigrants. FWIW I'm fairly gender critical but disliked the way they toadied round Trump and his abhorrent opinions/followers who pretty much wrote the culture war playbook.
So what stops you from voting for them ?

I wonder how much of that is down to Leave voters dying off though?
The (most of) leave voters I know would sooner burn their own house down than not have Brexit. Look at the DUP, still completely welded to Brexit despite it having done more for a United Ireland than any policy in history.

' There's not much difference between Labour and the Conservatives. Let's call it half an inch. But in that half an inch we can breathe.'

Tariq Ali.

Extremists, ideologues and fanatics might not care about the harm Brexit is doing to our country and our people @Kendodd, but normal people do.

The Brexit voters in my life voted for Brexit in good faith because they were told it would be good for our country.

They don't want Brexit now they know it's damaging everything. Who would?!

Most of them were also labouring under the mistaken assumption that there was a plan, and some people who knew what they were doing.

Most people who voted for Brexit didn't know back then that it was all lies.

They do now though.

So the rational response is to realise that they were sold an impossible fantasy and get back to reality.

The rational response is not to vote for the liars again.

I have no idea who this latest "We're going to crackdown on the homeless, teenagers and refugees" thing is aimed at.

Whoever they are they must like being lied to.

you can be pro woman’s safe spaces and not right wing surprisingly. 🥱

women’s rights seriously effect half the people in this country, in every setting - in the care provided by the NHS, prisons, in education, use of the environment and so on.

Well where to start! I could go on forever! Problem is, the alternatives are just as bad. We are screwed!

I can be pro a lot of things and not allow the far right to manipulate be into voting against my country's best interests @Stinkysock

I like this.

There's only been one Labour government in my lifetime but objectively a lot of things were better during their time.
I know Keir Starmer is a whole different person to Tony Blair but I think he might even be better?

I know he's better than the last five Tory Prime Ministers we've had.

Maybe that's it?

People with self respect won't put up with being repeatedly lied to and taken for mugs?

Are they though?

How do we know?

After 13 years of the Tories we know where we are.

What are we basing this on about the others?

Well....it's possible he will make a better PM than Blair I suppose. Too cautious to cheer lead for an illegal murderous war.

If he's a smart as they say he'll know that people in the North have realised Brexit was a mistake ( to put it mildly ) but there's no sense in rubbing their noses in it.

The more committed Brexiters will likely vote Reform anyway - thus splitting the Tory vote. But he can't just keep saying how crap the Tories are. Bozo is finished and the DUP have been seen off too. Sunak looks almost competent.

Steer Calmer needs to commit to building houses and nationalise the railways. A surprising number of Tory voters would get behind that I think.

I could never bring myself to vote for this shower of utter cunts. Where to even start??

Their treatment of refugees and asylum seekers is morally repugnant. Despite his claims that he was going to restore integrity to politics, Sunak backing Braverman's despicable Rwanda scheme shows us who he really is with frightening clarity. He is just as self-serving, spineless and devoid of any moral compass as Johnson, the only difference is he seems to he able to keep it in his trousers. Given that not so long ago the Government were imploring us to take Ukrainian refugees into our homes nothing will convince me that the Rwanda plan isn't rooted in racism and islamophobia.

Hancock's dodgy PPE deals, Michelle Mone, party gate, the bullying allegations againt Raab and Patel, they have been caught out lying to us again and again. The Tories are drowning in sleaze and corruption but they show no remorse or humility because deep down these people belive they have a god given right to govern. They have been raised to believe that they are the exception and they hold the electorate in absolute contempt.

I could sort of understand why some voters might choose to turn a blind eye to the Tories lack of compassion and decency if they were actually competent, but they're not. Their handling of the pandemic was woeful. Brexit is a complete shit show. They have fucked the economy. They have fucked the criminal justice system. They have fucked our NHS, our schools and other vital public services. But they couldn't care less because they nor anyone they know will ever have to depend on those services.

I loathe the lot of them and I am furious about what they are doing to this country.

What stops me voting for the Tories ?

Let me count the ways.

A brain in my head.
The ability to read ( their lies)
A sense of moral decency
A wish to be governed by decent humans.
A wish not to be governed by duplicitous, immoral, corrupt cunts...

There's a start..

I think if you start a thread (AIBU so you can take a vote) asking if Leave voters regret their vote you'll be inundated with 'we knew what we voted for' type replies and very few regrets. They'll also dispute that Brexit is doing any damage to the country and if they do it'll be because we haven't had a 'proper Brexit'. Just ask the DUP.

I think if you start a thread (AIBU so you can take a vote) asking if Leave voters regret their vote you'll be inundated with 'we knew what we voted for' type replies and very few regrets. They'll also dispute that Brexit is doing any damage to the country and if they do it'll be because we haven't had a 'proper Brexit'. Just ask the DUP.

People who don't have a strong grip on reality and/or want Brexit no matter what would probably fit into the category of extremists, ideologues and fanatics. @Kendodd Wouldn't they?

It's not rational, is it?

But most people are rational.

And most people would put what's best for Britain before Brexit.

The BS, the lies, the corruption, Boris, the state of the country including the NHS!

But apart from that, what have the Tories done for us ?

Poll after poll shows that few have changed their minds..... the polling has gone in favour of the EU because brexitiers have died and younger people have become voters & even then, its not by much.

Admitting you are wrong is not a common human trait.

Its possible of course than many who would publicly say they were still pro brexit, would vote differently in a new referendum but i doubt it.

I don't think people even vote for their own best interests, let alone the UK's or for their children....
One elderly brexitier couple i know (used to live in Spain) when their DD asked "...but dad, what about your GC, don't you want them to travel and enjoy Europe?"
The response was "We ve done our travelling, its not our concern, they'll have to make the best of it"

No one can name a single public service that has improved in the UK over the last 13 years, not one..... i've asked for it enough times & no Tory has ever come back with any.

No one can name a single public service that has improved in the UK over the last 13 years, not one.

PPE procurement has. Loads of happy vendors. Stop being such a negative nellie.

I agree with almost all these reasons but still don't see an alternative

If you had a very unreliable car, would keep it..... accepting the constant breakdowns and v expensive repairs?

Or would you try another make, in the hope its better?

If you genuinely believe the Tories have been bad for the country, then take a chance or at least hold on until you read Labours manifesto?

@SerendipityJane I know, i blame my parents.......

If you had a very unreliable car, would keep it..... accepting the constant breakdowns and v expensive repairs?

But look on the plus side. It's an opportunity to get healthy by walking and spend less on food.

Really, some people just aren't willing to be helped. Any more negativity like this and the government may as well give up trying.

Any more negativity like this and the government may as well give up trying

I thought they already had.