To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

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No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

PrawnofthePatriarchy · Today 12:30
TWAW. I'm a single issue voter at the moment. If we lose the definition of woman it could take decades to sort out.

People are trying to stop it meaning a gender a man can identify into at the moment. The law and tra lobbying has got the word for sex messed up and fudged with gender. In law sex is supposed to mean a man, a male of any age, or woman, a female of any age. But it is now open to legal argument that it could really mean a gender.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2

Apologies if I seemed to be insulting people, it's not my intent. I was genuinely trying to answer OP

i know you won’t care about my opinion but thats a nice thing for you to say, most of your posts have been interesting if thats any help….in a good way!

and that goes for the vast majority of the posters on here, its always very enlightening

I was surprised at the Sir. On a separate note comparing Starmer to Blair there’s a good programme on Times radio with feedback from groups and Starmer doesn’t poll nearly as well.

Rishi has gone up a fair bit recently though on personal ratings. Whether the party will follow we’ll see.

Rishi is much more charismatic than Blair who is in turn much more charismatic than Keir ... Expect a labour wipeout in two years time as the polls reverse.

He’s got his work cut out as the party was pretty low when he took over but if he does as he says he will it’ll help a lot.

First up was getting party behind him more and even the biggest stabbers - David Davis has form for skewering for example - have been singing praises.

Not long ago people were predicting walk outs etc which haven’t happened.

This is my position too.

It’s not just about charisma though is it? You’d have to be pretty shallow / thick to get swayed by charm rather than actual policies. I think Rishi is ok, it’s the complete and utter cretins that make up
the rest of the party I utterly loathe.

I don’t understand the boats policy. Tories have the racist votes sewn up anyway, and it will turn away anyone with a conscience.

Rishi Sunak, charismatic? Have you heard him?

I'm stuck. Politically aware family always arguing.

What I have never got my head around is that a lot of people vote for local issues and a good constituency MP even when that MP stands for a party who don't represent their issues.

I was always behind the FPTP system since it meant a constituency MP could speak for their local area and understand the issues. If we go for proportional representation it'll be a huge shock to everyone's system and while I understand it would better reflect the population I am not clear how it will reflect individual constituencies.

Like others I am conflicted. Do I vote for a Tory MP who fights for the environment, knows his area and is GC? when a vote for anyone else will be lost but signify a protest? When Labour won't speak out about these issues?

I don’t think that’s accurate. Boats issue is similar to Brexit and both parties don’t want to lose those voters.

Overall though polling on boats shows that a large proportion would like more action on boats issue. Other immigration is often separated out and thought of differently.

Having a look around its higher than I thought -

Two-thirds (68%) of Britons think that the UK should refuse to accept asylum applications from people who have entered the UK illegally and could reasonably have claimed asylum in another safe country.

The majority (61%) also support attempting to intercept migrant boats in the English Channel and turning them back towards France

Vote for a party led by someone who says on national TV, "saying only women have a cervix is something that should not be said" (and unless `I missed it, has not retracted that statement). Might as well have gone on the Andrew Marr show wearing a tin foil hat saying "I'm fucking mental, me".

However i do agree the polls will narrow but i think after 13 years of austerity and the collapse of the NHS, i think the Tories will lose comprehensively.

Honestly given the Tory record the opposition should be a shoo-in next election but honestly I think it will be close and go either way unless something big happens politically between now and election.

Might as well have gone on the Andrew Marr show wearing a tin foil hat saying "I'm fucking mental, me".

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Starmer was a half decent dpp - a highlight being approving prosecution of the worst expenses abuses in 2010 ie. six Labour MPs for fraudulently lining their own pockets. Five received prison sentences and one was found "not mentally competent" (only one?).

Unfortunately, the Peter principle has been in operation and Starmer has been promoted to a level far beyond his competence. Meanwhile Labour MPs are still being jailed for being expense fiddling junkie misogynists.

@Exasperatednow Mr Sunak is polite, a confident speaker, does detail. I disagree with him on policies, whereas with Mr Johnson it was as much if not more about his ill-treatment of women and serial lying. If Mr Johnson said it would be dry weather tomorrow I would take a raincoat and umbrella.

Sir Keir Starmer likewise polite.

There are some fundamental differences between now and the 90s and Labour canvassers would do well to remember them.

The sleaze with the current government has been much worse than the Major government in the 90s (which was mainly just tired and lacklustre) and yet it took the disaster of Liz Truss to trigger a real shift in the polls. Sunak can address that partly by looking vaguely normal.

I was one of those canvassers - you don't need details of policies two years out but what you do need is a clear, coherent message about philosophy and priorities which the whole party will stand behind (barring the handful of professional shit stirrers in every party). Try speaking to any CLP on the key messages for the next election and you get as many arguments as people in the meeting.

Like him or hate him Blair had actual charisma and connected with voters. He spoke to the issues of opportunity which most voters could identify with. He didn't let himself get trapped into detailed policy two years ahead but he did speak clearly on Labour's priorities and how they would start addressing them. On the doorstep people were clear on what he stood for and Labour's priorities well before the election. He wasn't my natural choice for leader but he was very effective in that role and was an easy sell on the doorstep.

For the last few elections, faced with governments which have gone from mediocre to outright rubbish the main question on the proverbial doorstep has been Labour's internal battles and trust.

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Like him or hate him Blair had actual charisma and connected with voters

He was on the radio the other day and I just thought, ‘why can’t we have politicians like this anymore? Who actually seem to think issues through and can talk clearly and intelligently about them?’

It really showed up the paucity of politicians, and of political discourse, that we have nowadays.

This made me laugh out loud!

Yes, the contrast between the political gravitas of Starmer and Blair is stark!

Kier Starmer or any other politician that can't define what a woman is!

Nothing stops me - card carrying life long Labour voter here.

I have so many reasons not to vote Tory. Top of my list at this very moment is Suella Braverman.

Must admit i was a bit 😳 at that

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I think he’s effective which is better than charismatic. If he can keep going getting stuff sorted.

And not as dull and fence sitting as Starmer. Besides Blair often had smarmy lobbed at him.

I've heard a few from that time and thought similar.

It's not just the UK there does seem to be a lack of talent in many democratic countries - I don't know if it's modern media or politics or avenues into it narrowing - I don't know but I agree there's a problem.