Is threatening illegal immigrants going to stop them coming?

[LadyGAgain]

Channel migrants face lifetime ban on returning to UK www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64848101

I read this with horror. I know we are a tiny island with limited resources but this legislation seems callous and cruel. These people are risking their very existence getting on these small boats and to then be locked up and shipped off again to who knows where. Plus the cost to us as tax payers. AIBU to suggest that I don't have a solution but this one seems extreme.

Yes.

Thank you.

So why should Ukranians have a safe route to the UK and not Syrians?

Just as a matter of interest, have all you who support this uncontrolled movement of asylum seekers into UK put your ideas to your MPs ?

I don't know, ask your MP and they can raise it with the policymakers !

Are you saying @Threelefthands that you disagree with the poster that said this about the suggestion that safe routes such as for Ukranians should not be extended to other asylum seekers?

"Because Ukranians are genuinely fleeing a war zone."

Why does what I think matter so much to you?

Whether I agree or disagree is irelevent.

I'm not Suella Braverman's SPAD and I don't make government policy.

Unless you are exceptionally ill-educated you must know that mak1ngthebestofit is referring to the Holocaust?

The use of a smiley face is well off, btw.

It is just a little confusing that you said one thing and now seem to be disagreeing with yourself.

Ukranians are fine to have safe routes because they are fleeing from a war zone.
Syrians are not fine to have safe routes because they are fleeing from a war zone.
What about Afgans?

This thread is making me very uneasy now. The OP plopped and ran. There are some very questionable posts.

They have that money because the wars we were part of have destroyed their countries. The wars and aftermath are still ongoing their

They worked before that, so they had savings, etc. There is no legal route into the U.K. for refugees.

86% of refugees stay in the countries next to where they are from

The other 14% head for Europe. I'm your mind then, the first country they arrive in should take them and no one else then! Wouldn't those countries be overrun.

France and Germany take in far more than we do. They get better paid their too.

Plus, they are allowed to work whilst their paperwork is going through the system. We don't allow that here, which is ludicrous.

It is also not illegal to cross the channel. They aren't illegal Immigrants. It's the people who provide passage that is breaking the law.

Try putting yourself in their shoes. The government needs to build a centre in Calsis to deal with them. If not at least allow them to work whilst they are being assessed. We have a shortage of workers as it is

Resorting to insults shows your argument has no merit.

I’m getting a bit fed up with the narrative of France and Germany taking in “far more than we do” as a means to imply the U.K. is some island fortress that refuses refugees.

Meanwhile we are taking in far more than Malta, Latvia, Netherlands, Belgium, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Italy, Switzerland, Czechia, Cyprus, Denmark, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Hungary, Austria, Slovenia, Spain, Romania, Greece, Croatia, Bulgaria, Ireland, Lithuania, Estonia, Sweden, Finland, Norway
and Iceland.

But no one talks about that, or calls them a bunch of xenophobic racists. Many of these countries are larger and richer than we are. Many are smaller- so should take fewer. Just like we are smaller, poorer and more crowded so of course France and Germany should take in more.

@Onnabugeisha

Which of these countries are larger than the UK?
Malta, Latvia, Netherlands, Belgium, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Italy, Switzerland, Czechia, Cyprus, Denmark, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Hungary, Austria, Slovenia, Spain, Romania, Greece, Croatia, Bulgaria, Ireland, Lithuania, Estonia, Sweden, Finland, Norway and Iceland.

To help you make this comparison. The UK's population is 67million and land area 244000km2.

Mallta has a population of 600,000 and land area of 316km2...

Because they have a long term strategy to free their country and return home?

Germany had around 240,000 asylum applications in 2022, the UK had 72.000.
France had more than 130,000 applications in 2022.

I can see why you are fed up with the narrative that France and Germany have more asylum seekers, because it is the truth.

@poetryandwine
Straight from ec.europa.eu/eurostat/en/ and the U.K. stats
www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-statistics-year-ending-march-2022/how-many-people-do-we-grant-asylum-or-protection-to

Make sure you look at # asylum applications accepted not # applications submitted or being processed.

The same is true of Syrians and Afgans....

Here is a suggestion, they could all stay in France, a safe nation, not at war with anyone. Problem solved!

@CaspianPlover Could you link to where it says in international law that asylum seekers needs to stay in the first safe country they come to?