Is threatening illegal immigrants going to stop them coming?

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Channel migrants face lifetime ban on returning to UK www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64848101

I read this with horror. I know we are a tiny island with limited resources but this legislation seems callous and cruel. These people are risking their very existence getting on these small boats and to then be locked up and shipped off again to who knows where. Plus the cost to us as tax payers. AIBU to suggest that I don't have a solution but this one seems extreme.

I'm unsure of the solution but I have to say when hotels are full of tourists spending there own money around surely that's better for the economy than hotels full of immigrants spreading "our" money around while simultaneously stopping everyone else coming in we have crashed our local economy because our two biggest wedding venues had immigrants put in (not the nice kind the troublemaker kind) now no-one will book it so, because they lost that line of business they filled it up so now no-one CAN book them that's had a knock on effect cake makers and wedding shops in particular being effected

Freely admit I've no real clue how to solve this but I feel for the businesses just recovering from covid to be hit by this

If only you knew. Legal Aid lawyers earn a fraction of what those in private practice earn, including those working directly for the government and those whom the government is paying on Johnson's behalf to try to save his sorry arse with the Privileges Committee. And every penny Legal Aid Lawyers earn is extremely closely scrutinised before it is approved.

Their income is in fact adversely affected by the sheer inefficiency of the immigration system. Not sure what the score is now, but when I worked with legal aid immigration lawyers around that time they could only be fully paid at the end of the case, so any given piece of work might well not be paid for till several years after it was done because that is and was how long it can take the Home Office to process their work. Delays would be exacerbated by files just getting lost in the system

As for those appeals against deportations succeeding, surely it's bloody obvious that they wouldn't have succeeded if the government was acting lawfully? Those lawyers didn't make the law, and they didn't make the Home Office fuck up time and again. Jo Public needs to put the blame for what it was paying for squarely with the Home Office, not the lawyers who were trying to get them to do their jobs properly and in accordance with the laws that this government passed.

I have to say, I'm more concerned about the economy and state of the country than immigration. We are not aiding farming, development, healthcare anything. I think that should be our focus. I don't think anyone would even notice immigration if there was a better or at least improvement to quality of life. If anything than immigrants would just slot into the much needed roles of nurses, economy like others too. I think people are just so dissatisfied and scared with life that immigrants are just taking the blame for it. As people are well known to play the blame game

@Theunamedcat I agree, this is happening round here too plus all hotel staff have been sacked
I'm not sure what the answer is to be honest but something has to be done
There is a lot of hostility in the air

Absolutely and the Government find it very conveniant to make immigrants the scapegoats!

Lack of tomatoes in the U.K. is due to three problems - weather; the amount of paperwork that suppliers have to complete to import so they choose EU countries instead (Brexit caused this); the likes of Tesco forcing suppliers out of the market by wanting regular fruit, cheap etc.

Exactly this. The U.K. is in a terrible state now and I can see it getting worse.

The govt is giving millions to local authorities to house Ukraine’s and Syrians. They will be out of the hotels within a year as we are busy converting old offices into flats etc.

Serco has just bought at least one near me and use another hotel nearby too
So it's not going to revert back anytime soon @IneedanewTV

@Rosula
And it's posts like this which just show that the poster concerned has swallowed the Right wing version of the facts which bear little relationship to reality. If the UK is such a nirvana, how come so many people actually prefer to apply to other countries? Have you actually experienced the health systems of other countries in Europe? I have to break it to you that the NHS really isn't that great in comparison. Likewise our welfare system. Sure, some people opt for the UK just because they speak English or have friends or relatives here, but is that so terrible? If something awful were to happen here so that you had to flee for your life, would you want to stay in Europe or would you be aiming to get to somewhere like the US or Oz where there would be no language barrier?
I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. Like it or not, Britain is perceived to offer many advantages to migrants that other countries don't hence why you have all these people in a prosperous and safe country already (France) risking their lives in dangerous boats to get here. This isn't just because they have a mate over here or can't be bothered to learn French.

If you knew anything about the criteria for establishing an asylum claim, you wouldn't make that claim about millions and millions of people qualifying for asylum here
I do know about this and you're wrong. The fact you think otherwise just highlights how little you know about the desperate plight of so many people in the world today.

We have serious shortages of workers in a number of fields, including care, health, hospitality, teaching, the prison and probation services and many others. The situation has become considerably worse post Brexit. To say we have no space in those circumstances is just absurd. Not only do we desperately need immigration to fill all those vacancies, we need all the tax and spending leading to economic growth that the people concerned would bring to us
There are indeed labour shortages and Brexit has not helped the situation but there are ways and means to address this that is independent of the process for seeking asylum. Asylum seekers can put more strain on services such health and education that are already struggling due to labour shortages and there is no guarantee that they will be suitable or have any appetite to work in the fields we currently have labour shortages in.

Yet I know people from Nigeria who live on benefits here, they've had no recourse to public funds removed, because they/their children have disabilities who've had family visit. Those family members don't have wealth. It just seems to be a matter of luck.
Unless the plans are widely publicised globally to all, which isn't possible, of course it won't make a difference.

Perhaps it would be a better idea to billet illegal immigrants and asylum seekers in peoples homes. Say, those with at least 2 adults living there as owner occupiers, household income over £100,000 and a spare room.

Much like was done in WW2 with evacuee children.

@BMW6 start with Chequers and Chevening. And every MPs second home.

And all those second home owners who leave their properties empty for most of the year.

I don't think @BMW6 is being serious though. But difficult to tell.

They are not illegal migrants there is no such thing.

Good thinking

Fine as long as the bilettee lives wherever the homeowners do, so there's personal responsibility by the homeowner.

Our population in 1960 was 50 million and now its approaching 70 million
Germany in 1960 it was 72 million, now it's 84 million, France 45 million and now 65 million. So our population has gone up double what Germany has, similar to France but France has 3 times the area to the UK, 643, 000 km2 to UK's 242,000 km2 and still has a smaller population than us.
Looking at those figures we've been well stuffed by our European 'colleagues'. And no we shouldn't be making room for more illegals.

www.serco.com/uk/sites/serco-aasc/landlords

These cronies are making millions. FYI, if you want to be taken seriously I'd suggest less reliance on the daily mail.

its not illegal to claim asylum. There needs to be a better system for people
to apply for and be granted asylum quickly, before they leave their home country

And where do you want all these people to live bearing in mind there's a massive housing shortage ??

Always find it funny those who support these illegal boat people. How many of you have them on your doorstep or have contacted the government to put them up on your home's?

I bet you would love to have groups of young men, who have come with no identification or back ground checks hanging around on an evening outside your home. Well for those of us that do please come and offer them a lovely comfy bed and a nice meal. 🙄

@Sockloon How can a person be illegal?

Organised billetting with financially sound homeowners, as per my posts above.

Starting with MP's.