To think this woman should not be put in prison?

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Bizarre and very unfair Link

It doesn't matter

The point, as made by the judge, was that Grey knew cyclists used this path.

Glad to see the judge’s comments agree with what I’ve been saying all along 😎

This should never have been a remotely controversial case.

The CCTV evidence appeared to show AG hit, or attempt to hit, the cyclist.

That was corroborated by an independent witness.

Either AG hit the cyclist into the road, or the cyclist fell into the road while trying to avoid being hit.

It is undeniable that AG assaulted the cyclist, and that it let to her death.

A very clear case of manslaughter that has only been rendered controversial due to inaccurate and irresponsible media reporting.

Well you've seen the video. You wouldn't say the bike was moving before it toppled?

He said that to start with, that's the point. He was wrong to say it unless he meant that it's a de facto shared path - as I said some days ago.

The question is whether he also directed the jury that it's a legitimate shared path.

The bike was clearly moving, albeit at slow speed, when AG turned towards the cyclist and attacked her.

That might be your question, but it’s irrelevant.

No.

I see Grey's feet secure on the ground, and movement consistent with striking something to her left. Nothing to suggest she was wrongfooted at any point. Mrs Ward was more vulnerable, being between her and the road. I see movement consistent with a push and then Mrs Ward falling into the road.

But what does it matter what I saw? William Walker was actually there and saw the whole thing. The judge found him to be a reliable witness and the footage is consistent with his account.

Grey knew cyclists used the path. She wasn't in fear and she wasn't acting in panic or self defence. She was the aggressor and she assaulted Mrs Ward. CCTV footage and at least one independent witness show that they were stationary and she struck at Mrs Ward, which caused her to fall into the road.

And actually, sentencing guidelines start at one year longer than Grey has been sentenced to serve. She's had mitigating factors taken into account.

If there has been anything untoward in the proceedings, I am sure you can trust Miranda Moore KC who, in addition to being an illustrious barrister, has the advantage of knowing everything that went on in court, to know about it and take appropriate action.

Thanks @bellabasset for posting, definitely informative and quoting as just to make sure is seen again by others!

They did not know if it was a shared path then. The judge relied on a car/cyclist to tell him. And if there are no signs a non cyclist would not know that. And would think they should be on the road.

The point is that she knew cyclists used the path, so she would not have been surprised or threatened by the presence of one, even if she thought they shouldn't be there.

It's very relevant if he's said something during summing-up that's untrue.

That's like saying cyclists know they get grief for been on paths so why ride on to a slipper manhole cover?

It really shouldn’t matter.

There is evidence, beyond all reasonable doubt, that AG purposefully assaulted CR, and it led to her death.

An incredibly straightforward case. Amazing that it had to go to a retrial but I think this thread demonstrates the mental gymnastics some people are willing to perform in order to exonerate a criminal they find sympathetic.

Ah said earlier the way she fell off her bike was not someone really moving. The way bikes work mean the front wheel doesn't fold under you like that unless you're going very very slowly or have stopped.

Bikes are self correcting to an extent, which is why we can ride them, if they don't have that design feature they are basically impossible to turn without falling off.

So no, going by the video I wouldn't find it hard to believe that Ward was stopped already

I know that electric scooters and terrible cyclists use the paths around here. That doesn't mean I don't feel surprised or threatened by them, wary of them passing me, and wish they'd all get of the fucking pavement.

Only if it’s of factual significance, and the status of the path is not of factual significance to the question of whether or not AG committed manslaughter.

And anyway, there is nothing to suggest in any of the reporting that the judge misdirected the jury in his summing up and it does not appear that the conviction is being appealed. This controversy seems to be entirely localized to your mind.

The summing up doesn't say that the judge relied on the witness for any other info than a description of the event

If you know they use the path then it's honestly your problem if they surprise you. And wishing them off the pavement doesn't mean they have no right to be there...or that you can assault them and cause them to fall in front of cars.

Literally the whole bike goes past her and topples over once it's completely past her. It doesn't stop at all.

I think it’s clear that the witness was wrong that the bike had come to a complete stop.

If the witness was on the same side of the path, they probably could not accurately judge the speed of the bike from their vantage.

They clearly saw AG swing her arm at CR though, which is also quite apparent from the video.

Oh behave!! Are you now saying the JUDGE has lied in court, or didn't examine evidence enough?
I honestly cannot understand why you are feverantly defending AG!

You know, it actually doesn't matter.

Grey is way closer than she should be - Mrs Ward is forced right to the very edge of the pavement. You can see from Grey's feet that she's shifting position and moving her weight forward. An independent witness saw her swatting at Mrs Ward.

She caused Mrs Ward's death by assaulting her and causing her to fall into the road. I truly don't see how anyone can dispute this now.

I agree with you @BrigitteBond she passes her, and loses her balance, because she slowed too much so needed to speed up off the cover but loses it.

They don't have any right to be there! Just because they choose to act illegally doesn't mean they acquire a right to act illegally.

And if the only path that I can use to get to the supermarket is full of these vehicles how do you suggest I do my shopping while avoiding being surprised and threatened by the illegal actions of others?