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cakeorwine · 02/03/2023 08:30

MisschiefMaker · 02/03/2023 08:25

@borntobequiet I didn't say that education had no purpose or that it didn't have positive impacts. I said it's a cost on the country's balance sheet. Reading comprehension not your strong point? ;)

Critical thinking not yours?

What purpose do you think education has?

Do you think having a school system helps or hinders the economy of a country?

Wizzbangfizz · 02/03/2023 08:30

@borntobequiet no I think it exists - just like the many many other covid type viruses that exist which are for the overwhelming majority a mild respiratory illness. Do I think that the destruction of our economy, unlimited cash for furlough, schools shutting at the expense of millions of kids wellbeing and education, and one of the many consequences being that we now live in a society where more people take out than put in was a price worth paying because people got used to sitting on their arses doing fuck all well no I don’t.

Strawberrysosweet · 02/03/2023 08:31

Teaching isn’t badly paid, but it has stagnated and it is reasonable to try for more pay. I don’t think the strikes will work, though.

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 08:32

twitterexile · 02/03/2023 08:21

Many independent schools don't recognise unions.

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Yep I know, and it says a lot.

twitterexile · 02/03/2023 08:33

What does it say?

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 08:33

Wizzbangfizz · 02/03/2023 08:30

@borntobequiet no I think it exists - just like the many many other covid type viruses that exist which are for the overwhelming majority a mild respiratory illness. Do I think that the destruction of our economy, unlimited cash for furlough, schools shutting at the expense of millions of kids wellbeing and education, and one of the many consequences being that we now live in a society where more people take out than put in was a price worth paying because people got used to sitting on their arses doing fuck all well no I don’t.

That was a consequence of the Tories not being prepared and they panicked and only had lockdown as a tool.

Did see what happened to the NHS this winter gone? It was overwhelmed with covid and flu etc. that’s what would have happened without lockdown (possibly worse without vaccines at the time).

Strawberrysosweet · 02/03/2023 08:33

Our school doesn’t recognise unions - not independent. Here is a thread recently which explains what this means here there was a very helpful explanation on it.

floradora · 02/03/2023 08:34

Skye991422 · 02/03/2023 08:10

As a teacher I’d like to clarify a few points:

not all teachers are young healthy females
schools remained open for vulnerable pupils and children of key workers. Teachers staffed the schools
teachers worked throughout the pandemic under enormous workload and stress
decisions to close or open schools were not made by teachers or unions. Decisions to close schools were not made to protect teachers but to slow the spread. Huge numbers of people together obviously spread it quicker
teachers are not lazy or trying to avoid work. The constant belittling and insulting of teachers is in part, along with years and years of pay cuts, why it’s so difficult to recruit and retain teachers. It’s a demanding job with long hours- marking, planning, reporting, data etc all being done outside of school hours. Many teachers do the job because they care about your children and their education. I can assure you there is not enough financial reward for the long hours, politics, underfunding, behaviour, inadequate SEND provision we have to deal with

Excellent post, well said Skye!

MisschiefMaker · 02/03/2023 08:34

Wizzbangfizz · 02/03/2023 08:30

@borntobequiet no I think it exists - just like the many many other covid type viruses that exist which are for the overwhelming majority a mild respiratory illness. Do I think that the destruction of our economy, unlimited cash for furlough, schools shutting at the expense of millions of kids wellbeing and education, and one of the many consequences being that we now live in a society where more people take out than put in was a price worth paying because people got used to sitting on their arses doing fuck all well no I don’t.

Well said. Far too many people were happy to sit back and watch this country destroy itself and now act like they're being victimised because the country is poorer.

There's no joined up thinking.

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 08:36

MisschiefMaker · 02/03/2023 08:34

Well said. Far too many people were happy to sit back and watch this country destroy itself and now act like they're being victimised because the country is poorer.

There's no joined up thinking.

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And yet people cannot see that it’s this government who fucked it.

MarshaBradyo · 02/03/2023 08:36

MisschiefMaker · 02/03/2023 08:34

Well said. Far too many people were happy to sit back and watch this country destroy itself and now act like they're being victimised because the country is poorer.

There's no joined up thinking.

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People were subject to a covid campaign which meant they didn’t join it up. Any suggestion of this at the time got the typical reaction.

noblegiraffe · 02/03/2023 08:36

Anyone remember Liz Truss fucking the economy?

borntobequiet · 02/03/2023 08:37

MisschiefMaker · 02/03/2023 08:25

@borntobequiet I didn't say that education had no purpose or that it didn't have positive impacts. I said it's a cost on the country's balance sheet. Reading comprehension not your strong point? ;)

You said it was not wealth generating. It is wealth generating - it’s an investment in the future. The cost of education today is funded by the wealth generated by education in the (not too far distant) past. People who left school less than ten years ago now work and pay taxes that fund schools. Your post was meant to belittle teachers and their reasonable requirement for adequate compensation for the increasingly difficult job they do.
You should be aware that ad hominem attacks don’t strengthen your argument, either.

Wizzbangfizz · 02/03/2023 08:37

And Labour would have done a better job? Don’t make me laugh - I’m no fan of the tories but this country is a bloody shambles. And the NHS - the constantly overwhelmed NHS which we hear about every winter because it is no longer a fit for purpose organisation because no political party has the balls to tackle the immense reform it need because as a country we can no longer afford or run a free at the point of service NHS.

MisschiefMaker · 02/03/2023 08:38

And yes - economic mismanagement goes back further than lockdown. Even when this country was going through a boom under New Labour due to a global financial services boom we were just spending spending spending, racking up debt instead of saving for a rainy day.

The Tories' pitiful attempts at austerity post-2008 didn't come anywhere near close enough to get us back on track.

And then there was Covid.

How long did you all think we could just rest on our laurels for?

The chickens are coming home to roost. Welcome to the real world, teachers.

Wizzbangfizz · 02/03/2023 08:40

totally agree @MisschiefMaker and there is probably an element on here of the people who washed their shopping and took pleasure in these measures who don’t like to admit their part in all of this.

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 08:40

Wizzbangfizz · 02/03/2023 08:37

And Labour would have done a better job? Don’t make me laugh - I’m no fan of the tories but this country is a bloody shambles. And the NHS - the constantly overwhelmed NHS which we hear about every winter because it is no longer a fit for purpose organisation because no political party has the balls to tackle the immense reform it need because as a country we can no longer afford or run a free at the point of service NHS.

The NHS was better under Labour 🤷🏻‍♀️

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 08:41

Wizzbangfizz · 02/03/2023 08:40

totally agree @MisschiefMaker and there is probably an element on here of the people who washed their shopping and took pleasure in these measures who don’t like to admit their part in all of this.

And I bet you were the kind who’d have a positive covid test and cough on a granny.

I am being facetious but I do wonder.

LakieLady · 02/03/2023 08:42

WeWereInParis · 01/03/2023 21:30

Matt Hancock is an absolute idiot, but I didn't think even he would be stupid enough to hand over thousands of texts to bloody Isabel Oakeshott and hope she kept quiet about it!

Oakeshott is toxic and it was an idiotic choice.

I didn't realise until yesterday that Oakeshott was responsible for exposing Vicky Pryce's foolish decision to take the rap for her (now ex) husband's speeding. I don't condone what Pryce did at all, but it was a bastard thing to do.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 02/03/2023 08:42

borntobequiet · 02/03/2023 08:24

You must think that Covid itself was all bullshit then, and not a highly infectious new airborne virus that killed millions worldwide and that required sensible precautions to be taken.

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I think the point is that some of people's definitions of sensible precautions need reworking.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 02/03/2023 08:44

MarshaBradyo · 02/03/2023 08:36

People were subject to a covid campaign which meant they didn’t join it up. Any suggestion of this at the time got the typical reaction.

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This is true, and Hancock is one of the people who bears greatest responsibility for that campaign.

noblegiraffe · 02/03/2023 08:45

Watching someone spout unevidenced bullshit with extreme confidence is always fascinating.

The idea that education funding is a blot on the spreadsheet rather than an incredible investment in the economy and that starving it of funding is a sensible action to rebalance the books rather than fucking insanity is a particularly stupid one.

MisschiefMaker · 02/03/2023 08:46

@borntobequiet You said it was not wealth generating. It is wealth generating - it’s an investment in the future. The cost of education today is funded by the wealth generated by education in the (not too far distant) past. People who left school less than ten years ago now work and pay taxes that fund schools. Your post was meant to belittle teachers and their reasonable requirement for adequate compensation for the increasingly difficult job they do.
You should be aware that ad hominem attacks don’t strengthen your argument, either.

Unfortunately this isn't correct. Our whole economy is a house of cards built on cheap debt thanks to central banks keeping interest rates down for decades.

It doesn't belittle teachers to say it's not a wealth generating industry. It's like medicine, right, we need a healthy work force but the NHS is still a cost that needs to be paid for by other people. That's fine - we need doctors and teachers but you guys don't operate in a vacuum. When everything else is going to shit, teaching will go to shit too. The issue that you're seeing people have is that the unions were fine with everything else going wrong and somehow expected themselves to be shielded from it.

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 08:48

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 02/03/2023 08:42

I think the point is that some of people's definitions of sensible precautions need reworking.

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I have to say I agree that some of the precautions were silly. All we had to do was talk to countries who had dealt with SARS before.

Instead we had a bunch of hungover politicians whatsapping each other and coming up with nonsense.

But because of that, everything was called into question - even the sensible precautions and everything became tainted.

So when people make calls for mask wearing - it’s shot down. When people make calls for ventilation - it is shot down. When people make calls for air filters - it is shot down.

Science got lost and gaps in information meant that cranks filled the gap.

MarshaBradyo · 02/03/2023 08:49

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 02/03/2023 08:44

This is true, and Hancock is one of the people who bears greatest responsibility for that campaign.

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There were a few involved but yes he could have led it I’m not sure. It was hugely effective. Turns out we are very good at those types of campaigns and impact on behaviour.

I thought at the time the public sector are reacting to it more but they’ll be hit by lower funds later. You couldn’t say it though without backlash.

Most private sectors demanded to be re opened, usually unsuccessfully.

Our growth now is higher than expected but the thing that drags it back is the strikes.