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Wow just wow. AIBU to think MH is a complete tw*t

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Moonshine86 · 01/03/2023 21:10

Words fail me

Wow just wow. AIBU to think MH is a complete tw*t
OP posts:
Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 08:15

twitterexile · 02/03/2023 08:15

Judge away. My place of work does not recognise unions in any case.

Which kind of says a lot.

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 08:17

MisschiefMaker · 02/03/2023 08:11

@kirinm teaching is not a wealth-generating profession; it's a cost on the country's balance sheet. It can only be funded from debt or wealth generated from other sectors. The unions were pushing for policies that crippled our economy and led to the current cost of living crisis so yeah... I don't have any sympathy for them now when they complain that their pay rises aren't funded. What did they expect?

Bullshit. Wealth creation for a few shareholders is not wealth creation for a country.

If you don’t think education is a good positive benefit then you need to go back to school.

IkBenDeMol · 02/03/2023 08:18

Honestly. You’re doing the Tories work for them. Next you’ll be praising the fact that education funding will be back to 2010 levels!

Again, I'm in Scotland. Where the current regime is SNP/Green. And the arguments are the same.

borntobequiet · 02/03/2023 08:19

MisschiefMaker · 02/03/2023 08:11

@kirinm teaching is not a wealth-generating profession; it's a cost on the country's balance sheet. It can only be funded from debt or wealth generated from other sectors. The unions were pushing for policies that crippled our economy and led to the current cost of living crisis so yeah... I don't have any sympathy for them now when they complain that their pay rises aren't funded. What did they expect?

So teaching is nothing to do with investing in the future by educating our future engineers, scientists, large and small business owners, architects, entrepreneurs, tradespeople, doctors, nurses, carers, town planners, civil servants and people in professions too numerous to name, without which society wouldn’t function, then?
Or perhaps you think all this learning happens naturally without any intervention?

noblegiraffe · 02/03/2023 08:19

teaching is not a wealth-generating profession; it's a cost on the country's balance sheet.

What a shitty lack of understanding of the important of education to a country's economy.

Wizzbangfizz · 02/03/2023 08:20

I hope a lot of the hysterical posters on here who bought the bullshit advice and called for MORE RESTRICTIONS take a long hard look at themselves after these revelations about rule of 6 etc it was all bullshit - the masks, schools shutting the lot and yet many on here fell for it hook line and sinker.

cakeorwine · 02/03/2023 08:20

MisschiefMaker · 02/03/2023 08:11

@kirinm teaching is not a wealth-generating profession; it's a cost on the country's balance sheet. It can only be funded from debt or wealth generated from other sectors. The unions were pushing for policies that crippled our economy and led to the current cost of living crisis so yeah... I don't have any sympathy for them now when they complain that their pay rises aren't funded. What did they expect?

Wow.

What an incredibly ridiculous statement.

That would be a great essay question - someone says teaching is not a wealth generating profession. To what extent do you agree or disagree with that statement. You should provide examples to support your conclusions.

20 marks

Vegrocks · 02/03/2023 08:21

This all seems like a distant memory to me. Never talk or even think about covid any more unless it pops up on my mumsnet actives

twitterexile · 02/03/2023 08:21

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 08:15

Which kind of says a lot.

Many independent schools don't recognise unions.

twitterexile · 02/03/2023 08:22

Wizzbangfizz · 02/03/2023 08:20

I hope a lot of the hysterical posters on here who bought the bullshit advice and called for MORE RESTRICTIONS take a long hard look at themselves after these revelations about rule of 6 etc it was all bullshit - the masks, schools shutting the lot and yet many on here fell for it hook line and sinker.

Was thinking exactly the same this morning.

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 08:23

IkBenDeMol · 02/03/2023 08:18

Honestly. You’re doing the Tories work for them. Next you’ll be praising the fact that education funding will be back to 2010 levels!

Again, I'm in Scotland. Where the current regime is SNP/Green. And the arguments are the same.

It doesn’t change my point.

Cutting education budgets is penny wise and pound foolish.

people don’t want to be teachers because it’s underpaid and the schools are underfunded which creates massive pressures. Not every teaching post will be bad but many are, and that’s why we have a crisis in recruitment.

Anyone with any experience of running an organisation will know that if you can’t get or keep the staff, something is wrong. If the staff are telling you what’s wrong, then you’d be stupid to ignore it. The unions are telling the government and they can ignore it at their peril and meanwhile we will continue to have a teacher shortage.

So riddle me this. How can the government sort out the problem with teacher recruitment and retention?

MisschiefMaker · 02/03/2023 08:23

Oh my god- why don’t people understand that the latest meagre pay rise wasn’t fully funded!!

Oh my god- why don’t people understand that NOTHING in this country is fully funded!!

We are in so much debt we can't even put a number on it, and experiencing a rapid quality of life. This is in no small part due to lockdown policies which the unions (and others) pushed for.

Yet unions just want to stamp their feet and demand "more more more". They STILL don't get it and I have zero sympathy for them. Nobody is doubting that teachers are struggling and hate their lives, we know that as they don't stop moaning about it. But we have to expect our standards of living to continue to fall off a cliff and being a teacher doesn't get you a special get out of jail free card.

borntobequiet · 02/03/2023 08:24

Wizzbangfizz · 02/03/2023 08:20

I hope a lot of the hysterical posters on here who bought the bullshit advice and called for MORE RESTRICTIONS take a long hard look at themselves after these revelations about rule of 6 etc it was all bullshit - the masks, schools shutting the lot and yet many on here fell for it hook line and sinker.

You must think that Covid itself was all bullshit then, and not a highly infectious new airborne virus that killed millions worldwide and that required sensible precautions to be taken.

twitterexile · 02/03/2023 08:24

people don’t want to be teachers because it’s underpaid and the schools are underfunded which creates massive pressures. Not every teaching post will be bad but many are, and that’s why we have a crisis in recruitment

I don't think that teaching is badly paid. It is poor behaviour and ridiculous workload that is putting people off.

Vegrocks · 02/03/2023 08:25

twitterexile · 02/03/2023 08:24

people don’t want to be teachers because it’s underpaid and the schools are underfunded which creates massive pressures. Not every teaching post will be bad but many are, and that’s why we have a crisis in recruitment

I don't think that teaching is badly paid. It is poor behaviour and ridiculous workload that is putting people off.

And mumsnet threads!

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 08:25

MisschiefMaker · 02/03/2023 08:23

Oh my god- why don’t people understand that the latest meagre pay rise wasn’t fully funded!!

Oh my god- why don’t people understand that NOTHING in this country is fully funded!!

We are in so much debt we can't even put a number on it, and experiencing a rapid quality of life. This is in no small part due to lockdown policies which the unions (and others) pushed for.

Yet unions just want to stamp their feet and demand "more more more". They STILL don't get it and I have zero sympathy for them. Nobody is doubting that teachers are struggling and hate their lives, we know that as they don't stop moaning about it. But we have to expect our standards of living to continue to fall off a cliff and being a teacher doesn't get you a special get out of jail free card.

Debt was up before covid.

That is despite austerity. So I strongly suggest you go away and learn basic economics which tells you you do not run a government like a household budget as if it’s a choice between Waitrose and Aldi.

Austerity is expensive. Underfunding public services costs more in the long run - that’s why covid broke the economy. Because we fell for the Tory lies about austerity and we had no resilience.

MisschiefMaker · 02/03/2023 08:25

@borntobequiet I didn't say that education had no purpose or that it didn't have positive impacts. I said it's a cost on the country's balance sheet. Reading comprehension not your strong point? ;)

twitterexile · 02/03/2023 08:25

borntobequiet · 02/03/2023 08:24

You must think that Covid itself was all bullshit then, and not a highly infectious new airborne virus that killed millions worldwide and that required sensible precautions to be taken.

Ridiculous post.

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 08:26

twitterexile · 02/03/2023 08:24

people don’t want to be teachers because it’s underpaid and the schools are underfunded which creates massive pressures. Not every teaching post will be bad but many are, and that’s why we have a crisis in recruitment

I don't think that teaching is badly paid. It is poor behaviour and ridiculous workload that is putting people off.

Teachers are paid less than they were, in real terms, in 2010.

It is badly paid!

twitterexile · 02/03/2023 08:26

Vegrocks · 02/03/2023 08:25

And mumsnet threads!

Yes usually everyone on MN hates teachers!

Strawberrysosweet · 02/03/2023 08:26

One of the key problems is the NEU haven’t emphasised that they want funded pay rises. They have just stressed pay. On their own website this is what it says about the strikes:

Why have NEU members voted to take strike action?
Pay for experienced teachers has fallen by one fifth in real terms since 2010. And now Britain is facing the worst cost-of-living crisis in a generation. Yet while your bills keep going up, your pay is not keeping pace.

Energy bills are soaring, inflation is at 12.3 per cent (August 2022) – a forty-year high. But the Government is suggesting experienced teachers’ pay should only go up by five per cent this year. This is a seven per cent cut.

Long hours and poor pay are the main reasons teachers are leaving the profession in their droves. This Government is presiding over one of the worst recruitment and retention crises ever seen in education.

Children are losing out because there are not enough teachers. Even when there is a teacher in the classroom, increasingly they are not qualified in the subject they are teaching. Parents and grandparents hear their children and grandchildren talking about ‘new’ teachers in the middle of the school year; of lessons being ‘covered’ by supply teachers, of teachers leaving. Lack of qualified teachers harms the education that children and young people receive.

To save education, we must take action to ensure that educators get an inflation-plus pay increase.

None of that mentions that schools are funding pay rises.

twitterexile · 02/03/2023 08:26

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 08:26

Teachers are paid less than they were, in real terms, in 2010.

It is badly paid!

We can agree to disagree.

MisschiefMaker · 02/03/2023 08:28

@Believeitornot there was no real austerity. The tories were weak and didn't go anywhere near far enough. If there had been an effective austerity program then you wouldn't be able to make the (correct) claim that debt was up before Covid, could you?

Are teachers and unions just completely blind to what is going on in the world around us?

noblegiraffe · 02/03/2023 08:28

But we have to expect our standards of living to continue to fall off a cliff

Why do "we" have to expect that, and who does "we" include, because it doesn't seem to include the wealthiest in the country who are seeing what's in their pockets continue to increase at our expense.

Believeitornot · 02/03/2023 08:30

MisschiefMaker · 02/03/2023 08:28

@Believeitornot there was no real austerity. The tories were weak and didn't go anywhere near far enough. If there had been an effective austerity program then you wouldn't be able to make the (correct) claim that debt was up before Covid, could you?

Are teachers and unions just completely blind to what is going on in the world around us?

Have you been anywhere near frontline public services? To be so bold in that claim? Have you worked in a underfunded local authority? Stepped inside an underfunded school recently?

You are, quite frankly, misinformed.