Quran School Incident

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The reaction to this non-incident is shameful. We're effectively charging this poor autistic boy with blasphemy and his mother is begging for his life.

how exactly did I miss the mark on the reformation? Curious because I used to teach theology at a red brick uni

It’s your terminology they’re conflating Islam and Muslims. One being flawless and the other not so much (doctrinally speaking)

who’s making the film? Would it be someone akin to Charlie Hebdo or a Muslim comic? I can’t imagine either would be well received but the former would be more antagonistic? But often Christians join in the jokes on Christianity and the like whereas Muslims never really find that sort of thing funny, it always causes a ‘thing’ so I can’t get behind the motivation to make that sort of film

You missed the mark trying to explain the Reformation to me lol! I’m glad you’re no longer in education if you lack basic comprehension.

Say the Monty Python team made the film to ridicule organised religion but this time used Islam. Although why that matters I don’t know, do you think any film that isn’t illegal deserves more protests than a few letters and placards?

How rude are you! Don’t say Islam needs a reformation then, it will lead people to think you don’t know what you’re talking about.

why is there a need to make a film that will more than likely lean into some really nasty and untrue tropes of a really gentle man, especially with the knowledge that it would insult so many.

would anyone deserve to die over that? Of course not, but would people be outraged, yes. I believe some Muslims were outraged over the Crowe film Noah as well, but no one got killed about that did they. Muslims really don’t help themselves at times with stuff like this but I don’t get this obsession with trying to ridicule Islam.

i can’t be bothered going over this again and again

@Lesschubtolove thank you for you input on this thread, it's been thoughtful, insightful and informative in the face of some very unpleasant bigotry

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Pathetic little trouble maker got found out.

And that’s what I’m saying, Muslims are not helping themselves are they?- there needs to be an over haul - to be reformed. Was there anything wrong with the Bible or was it the actions of the Catholics that Luther was protesting about?

Why make a film like the Life of Brian? because it points out the absurdity and hypocrisy. It’s both funny whilst at the same time challenging to things which need to be challenged! I’d like to know how Muslims would react to that kind of film, not some poor film about the epic of Noah!

It’s really more ridiculing organised religion, it happens to Christianity far more frequently in most places. But Christian’s seem to have a more measure approach in responding.

I am not a fan of Islam. I have absolutely lovely Muslim friends, female and male, some religious, some not, but the way women are being treated in Iran and Afghanistan is absolutely horrific and I don't want men with those attitudes here. I have cried for the women in those countries.

The bullying, threats, power trip, and humourlessness about a child's quite normal thoughtless behaviour, accident or not, is horrible, and special treatment was given to the offended, above and beyond what is necessary. Special treatment given because of fear and threats, not because of genuine respect for the religion, as in the UK there isn't all that much respect for religion (see Life of Brian).

I really hope the councillor was as vocal condemning the rape grooming gangs in his area, who ruined 1000s of girl's lives, as he has been about a few marks on one page of the Koran.

I have watched Life of Brian with Christians and they think it's hilarious. I love the bit where Cleese corrects the graffiti artist's Latin. It wasnt about Jesus, it was about Brian.

I love the bit where they can’t hear the Sermon on the Mount properly. “Blessed are the cheese makers” 🤣 It’s genius.

It's a brilliant film. But still it was virtually banned country wide on release because of a Christian backlash.

That is in no way a reflection on all Christrians any more than than this incident is a reflection on Muslims

It was given an X rating in the late 70's, and didn't require police protection for those who did show it from violent backlash.~

It isn't a reflection of all Muslims, but it does require Muslims to openly come out and state this isn't acceptable, just like the teacher from Batley that has had to go into hiding , there is constant calls of not true Muslim but there isn't much in defending both the teacher or this autistic child, the narrative is always waved away in 'this is wrong, but...' which is the exact opposite of 'I'm not racist but'.

With the overall narrative of keeping in lane, it is for Muslims to be at the forefront to say this is not OK

I love the sermon on the mount. Back in the day, I bought a motorcycle and it needed a service. Whilst it was being serviced, I went for a visit to Reading Museum to kill time, only I went into the wrong building. There was some sort of event to celebrate the 600th anniversary of the first bible in English and they asked me if I wanted to join in. They were writing out the bible manually and I was given the sermon on the mount. So I know it. Then a TV camera team arrived and I ended up centrepiece in a Southern TV article about this event.
Hardly a day passes when I think, "Blessed are the Cheesemakers". Particularly, since I absolutely love cheese.

I'd hate to feel, as white westerner with a Christian background that it was required of me to constantly publicly condemn the actions of Anders Brevik before my voice was permitted to be heard.

The Life of Brian was given a AA rating. Those cinemas, mostly independent cinemas that did show it self imposed an X rating

Death threats have now been issued.
Will be interesting to see if the police act as quickly on them as they were to record a hate crime!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11809601/Boy-dropped-copy-Quran-Wakefield-school-left-petrified-death-threats.html

Doesn’t look like it. The ‘child’ who made the threat has been given some ‘advice’. Meanwhile, the kid who dropped the Quran has been ‘charged’ with a ‘hate crime’.

Utter madness. It’s like we’ve all fallen down the rabbit hole.

Do you think its ok to intimidate a teacher and use your culture as a reason? Do you think that these boys should be allowed to disrupt the education of others and make someone feel scared to be at work and no one should blink an eye lid?

Death threats have now been issued

I think it was said yesterday that the mum "doesn't want to press charges"

Not that it's up to her, since that's the job of the CPS and worry about upsetting the community may well prevent any such action, but I wonder if her reported remarks were her own choice or if pressure was brought to bear

Stop trying to derail the argument.

My response was to the the earlier post about your history of posting on particular subjects.

Yes, the mother is scared for her son’s life and rightly so. The police won’t offer him any protection - they are too busy sucking up to the community to make themselves look virtuous.

They are setting a very dangerous precedent by allowing death threats towards a child to go uncondemned and unpunished. How can they expect people to tolerate this?

They are setting a very dangerous precedent by allowing death threats towards a child to go uncondemned and unpunished

If they can prove where they've come from and there really isn't any action then I agree; community sensitivities are obviously very important, but for me allowing death threats to pass with little comment is going too far

Equally to the point it does the vast majority of decent muslims no favours either, since they'll detest the threats just as much and won't appreciate the inevitable cries of "They do as they want with no comeback at all"

I think it is you attempting top derail the discussion with your contribution essentially saying that because i've previously expressed the opinion that culture and religion is not a good justification to ruin peoples education and intimidate women trying to do their jobs.

This is the statement from Usman Ali one of the so called "community leaders"

"After todays events at Kettlethorpe High School where a Quran has been desecrated are a serious provocative action which needs to be dealt with urgently by all the authorities, namely, the police, the school and the local authority.

This terrible action could destroy all the good progress that has been made in Wakefied to highlight and tackle islamaphobia.

I have been in contact with local leaders to ensure that swift and appropriate action is taken to deal with this grace situation. We all need to work together to make sure that this terrible provocation does not set back community relations for years to come."

Who the hell does this guy think he is?

Basically, we demand you drag this kid over the coals now and get on your knees to beg for forgiveness. Or we riot, and it'll be your fault.

This is what I find so egregious. Usman Ali is not just a community leader - he’s a publicly elected official representing the UK government.

How dare he ignore the death threats. We are paying this man’s wages.