Quran School Incident

[Everanewbie]

The reaction to this non-incident is shameful. We're effectively charging this poor autistic boy with blasphemy and his mother is begging for his life.

perhaps he feels as I do? You can’t imagine how tiring it is

And I’m sorry, what? The death threats are a non issue? Am I misunderstanding that?

No, this latest ‘incident’ or the teacher showing the cartoons, this thread and others and the media make it seem like Muslims up and down the UK are up in arms, but it couldn’t be further from the truth.

this thread and others and the media make it seem like Muslims up and down the UK are up in arms, but it couldn’t be further from the truth

I couldn't agree more; like every other the muslim community contains some noisy troublemakers, but the vast, vast majority are just normal decent people getting on with their lives, and I've no doubt most are equally sickened by death threats being flung

Surprised you're "really doubting the validity of these death threats as it seems to be very right wing media reporting on it" though ... strangely enough exactly the same thing was said when the atrocities in Rochdale, Rotherham and the rest started to come out, and that didn't do much for community cohesion either

Let’s look at this another way. Let’s suppose the councillor had gone into the school and found that the child had scribbled all over the Quran, or worse, urinated on it. What would he have reported back and what would have happened? He was sent in to ‘investigate’ as a representative of the local Muslim community. But how that can be right, when he is a publicly elected representative of the UK government? He is supposed to be on the side of the law, not act as a mouthpiece for the Muslim community and ignore the fact that members of that community have made death threats against a child.

That councillor should be struck off with immediate effect.

simply destroying a book you own is not a crime so it can’t be a hate crime.

But it’s not like he just put it in the bin at home is it? It was done to cause a reaction, now the reaction is embarrassing to all Muslims but it was done to get a reaction

What? I really can’t see your problem here

@Lesschubtolove he did what? The book wasn’t destroyed or really even damaged. Going by photos, the corner of one page (where there isn’t any text) was scuffed. It has been agreed that there was no malicious intent.

last i read on this thread it was kicked about but my point is yes you can throw away any of your own books if you like but things that are done publicly are morally made into a spectacle to provoke a reaction

So, going back to the previous hypothetical situation: a Muslim child kicks a bible across the church. Immediately, representatives from the Anglican Church instruct the head of the local council to march into the school and inspect the bible for damage. Someone from the Anglican Church also makes a death threat against the Muslim child. The head of the council ignores the death threat and goes in as instructed to inspect the bible. He reports back that the bible is intact - no mention of the death threat.

Are you kidding me that you don’t see this as a problem?

Ha, if only you knew - I have a lot of knowledge about the early modern period and the different interpretations of Christianity that came out of it.😂. But still most of the crap that came out of it was politically driven and very little to do with spirituality.

So why aren’t Muslims more vocal about the atrocities which happen in the name of Islam. Issuing death threats when someone shows a picture of a random bloke who tripped out in a cave is incompatible with current western standards. Can you imagine someone making a video about Mohammed along the lines of A Life of Brian?

Unfortunately until Muslims start condemning all these actions people will assume that they agree. Your faith is being represented by by extremists. I’m and need to publicly start condemning all these actions to the general public not just Muslims.

This is correct.

It begs the question "What sort of support was this pupil receiving from the school?" and " is he in a school that can properly meet his educational needs?"

Oh for real? Then how come you can’t wrap you head around the fact that a lot of Islam is in politically drive these days?

Muslims don’t condemn extremism? Come off it, the pressure to do is is constant and infuriating! There are countless statements online on the Muslim council of GB denouncing extremism

These seem to be the facts of what happened

Like I said: lunatics have taken over the establishment.

Save us from this madness!

Of course it’s politically driven. The birth of the whole religion (like most) was politically motivated.

But the fact remains that women are not viewed or treated equally by many practices within Islam (whether or not the Quran/hadiths support this appears a more questionable situation).

It was a bet wasn’t it, perhaps the autistic boy didn’t quite understand how it would be so
offensive but the lads who dared him do did or
else it wouldn’t have been a dare. The mother said it was a dare. Should they be suspended? Well in my opinion no, a detention should suffice but I image the school are trying to make an example out of them so other students don’t do similar knowing that some Muslims will over react. I imagine the police are being involved over the potential death threats which are obviously an absurd over reaction. Good old Usman seems to have a flare for the dramatic hence why he’s probably deleted his tweets

This story is horrendous: the school has seemingly acted in rash haste. There is no blasphemy law in Great Britain, and schools should not allow themselves to be pressured – whether directly or indirectly – into excessive disciplinary action in deference to religious groups. Kettlethorpe High School’s safeguarding policy clearly states that it will “give special consideration” to those with special needs: immediate suspension for a harmless, if perhaps misguided, prank where no violence took place, and leaving the children open to threats of physical violence as a result, would seem to run contrary to that policy.

‘But schools are, regrettably, increasingly coming under pressure from religious zealots, whether it’s disciplinary issues like this, or with the content of their curriculum.

the police should be taking any death threats against children very seriously indeed. It beggars belief that it should be necessary to clarify that public pillory and death threats are never an appropriate reaction to childish tomfoolery.’

Please don’t explain to me my religion when you’re showing that you don’t know anything about it

your second part is wrong, ‘by many practices within Islam’ no the Quran and sunnah are Islam then there is what Muslims do which is where the problem lies

Well you tried to explain the Reformation to me (clearly missing the mark)

that’s why I said practices, ie what Muslims actually do rather than what they (maybe) should do🤦‍♀️

so if a film was made about Mohammed in the same vein as Life of Brian, there would be no repercussions from the Muslim community apart from a couple of strongly worded letters and a couple of placards?

if The police were called, then there was malicious intent.

@UdoU the report says not.

if The police were called, then there was malicious intent

Not necessarily; knowing the way these situations can escalate, it's possible there may have been a "just in case" element here to avoid another Batley

And it was already escalating, as we saw with the councillor's overexcited though since deleted text about the quran being "desecrated" ...