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Ex Offender

170 replies

Sexnotgender · 27/02/2023 14:49

AIBU to be uncomfortable about an ex offender working in my garden?

Context - his offences involved children.
I have 2 young children but he would only ever be here when the children were not at home.

He’d never be allowed in the house.

I totally agree with rehabilitation generally and I know I’m probably being hypocritical. But I don’t know what to do.

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LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 27/02/2023 21:25

People steal because they want/need more stuff/money than they have.

If on release they have work - and money-, perhaps they are less likely to re-offend.

Sex-offenders commit crimes whether or not they have jobs.

I'm not sure that having work after a prison sentence would have any effect on their likelyhood of re-offending.

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 27/02/2023 21:25

It would be a risk.

If a an ex-sex-offender worked in your garden, they might come into direct contact with your children due to unusual circumstances one day (if a child was home ill - or due to accident/teacher-strike etc.)

The ex-offender would be able to get information about your children - names - interests- places they go etc. by looking at toys left out - cards near a window etc.

lopsees · 27/02/2023 21:26

No.

Because they will learn your child's name
Because they will know your movements
Because it would be too easy to say to a child " I know your mum, I do your garden" and therefore appear to be a safe person.

CMO · 27/02/2023 21:30

It' a no from me. I'm all for rehabilitation too but the recidivism rate for sex offenders is high and I just wouldn't take the chance. Outcomes from sex offfener treatment programmes are also not great.

hotchocolateismything · 28/02/2023 12:37

Sexnotgender · 27/02/2023 19:17

No not in a newspaper 🙄 on the uk and Ireland sex offender database.

You wouldn't have access to the official sex offender register for the UK and Ireland. The police only release information if there is a specific safeguarding concern.

You probably went on a site operated by a vigilante group.

OoooohMatron · 28/02/2023 12:45

Moonicorn · 27/02/2023 20:39

Can we all make a note of this please, and complain if you ever see it used in a newspaper or similar? There is no such thing as ‘porn’ with minors in it. They are CHILD ABUSE IMAGES, and need to be described as such. It’s really really important.

This. Also 'child prostitute'. No that's a child being raped 😡

Sexnotgender · 01/03/2023 17:28

UPDATE:

It is the guy I thought it was based on his first name, it’s a slightly unusual first name and we live in a small area.

He will not be doing my garden.

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Justmeandthedog1 · 01/03/2023 17:32

I’d have turned him out. I’m very harsh and in my book sexual offences against children should be life imprisonment or preferably put down. I believe such a crime is totally unforgivable.

nc1013 · 01/03/2023 17:37

Aquamarine1029 · 27/02/2023 14:59

He would never be alone, he’d be with someone else at all times.

Irrelevant. I would never allow him onto my property.

I couldn't even be in the same presence as someone who had sexually abused a child - even if my children were nowhere near. Even if there's no risk of him actually doing anything being around him would turn my stomach

DisappearingGirl · 01/03/2023 17:46

I saw your update and agree with you OP. Based on a) the work being at your house where your kids live and b) the extra info you found on the person. However I applaud you for not writing this person off without thinking about it carefully.

Glasshole I also wanted to say that I have a lot of sympathy for people like your son. I think it would be all too easy for a young person to be gradually groomed into viewing that kind of porn, especially when it is anime/hentai not real people. I would hate to see someone like your son excluded from life based on something like this. So for me there is a grey area when it comes to your son's type of situation.

DrMarciaFieldstone · 01/03/2023 17:52

Millpond123 · 27/02/2023 20:47

I didn't say that child abuse images were porn. And I'm not saying they're innocent but there is a difference between someone who has downloaded images and someone who has committed contact offences against minors. It's not a victimless crime but calling everyone who has committed a sexual crime against minors a paedophile is incorrect. And porn addiction can lead to downloading child abuse images, either intentionally or not.

People who download porn featuring children are paedophiles. The children in the images are victims.

The minimising of this is absolutely sickening.

SingleMumofOne95 · 01/03/2023 18:04

I am very surprised that someone that has committed a sexual crime against a child is allowed to work on a house where children reside.

SingleMumofOne95 · 01/03/2023 18:07

Surely this person must be on the sex offender list therefore this could breach that.

GretnaGreenIsLovely · 01/03/2023 19:56

Millpond123 · 27/02/2023 20:47

I didn't say that child abuse images were porn. And I'm not saying they're innocent but there is a difference between someone who has downloaded images and someone who has committed contact offences against minors. It's not a victimless crime but calling everyone who has committed a sexual crime against minors a paedophile is incorrect. And porn addiction can lead to downloading child abuse images, either intentionally or not.

Each image is a child being abused. I'm sorry but it is not different to a contact crime because the person in the video or picture is a REAL CHILD being actually abused. If noone looked at these images there would be less demand for them and less children abused.

Child abuse is child abuse. I understand why some people commit sexual offences and would be keen to support rehabilitation efforts and supporting them back to work. But that doesn't mean you gloss over the severity of the crime. It is what it is.

Wauwa · 05/03/2023 17:45

If the offences related to the sexual abuse of children then I wouldn’t have them within a mile of my home let alone in my garden.
My abuser works as a gardener, lives near a school in a family housing estate and was seen buying children’s stickers recently. He has no children…

Wauwa · 05/03/2023 17:48

SingleMumofOne95 · 01/03/2023 18:07

Surely this person must be on the sex offender list therefore this could breach that.

Unfortunately they aren’t always on the sex offenders register. If they were convicted before 2003 then they are now automatically off of the list. After 2003, there are time limits dependent on their sentence length. More than 30 months and they are on it indefinitely but since 2012 they have been able to apply to be removed. I have a petition running to ask the government to stop this from being the case.

Ex Offender
Goodread1 · 05/03/2023 18:15

@Sexnotgender
I am all for rehabilitation for ex offenders whatever crimes they may have committed,

But it should be take in consideration appropriate measures to taken into account factors such depending on type of crime committed, and obviously whether a low or high risk of reoffending
Obviously a sex offender shouldn't be working in or near a environment in which children could be about,
so this is not idea,

What if he needs a toilet break for e.g ?

I think your Gut instinct is 😱 screaming at you for a bloody reason which is very much valid reason for you,
I would strongly suggest to listen to this,

If you want your garden to be sorted out,

Couldn't you have another type of ex offender type instead @Sexnotgender ?
Obviously not a ex offender who is a ex burglar

Assuming if this something you be interested in continuing doing, to support this type of charitable cause?

Wauwa · 05/03/2023 18:32

As a CSA survivor I was horrified to find out that not only is my abuser now off the register, he’s working as a gardener in homes where children reside and that had he been convicted a year later he would be on it indefinitely.
Since 2012, those on the register indefinitely have the right to apply for removal after 15 years. Given the lengths of their sentences I’m unsure that they are safe to be removed ever. Removal means they are not being managed by the police. Whilst it’s not a guarantee they won’t reoffend, it’s all we have at the moment.

I’m campaigning against this ruling. If you would like to support me please sign and share this petition. 🙏🏻
Deny the worst sex offenders the right to apply for removal from the sex offenders register

Sexnotgender · 05/03/2023 18:49

I’m absolutely in favour of rehabilitating offenders @Goodread1 just not this one in my garden.

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Pseudonamed · 05/03/2023 19:34

I do not believe paedophiles can be rehabilitated so while I agree other types of criminal can with one of them absolutely not. I would raise it with the local police station as sex offenders should not be in the vicinity of children IMO whether it was man woman or child they abused. I would be sat there with the garden shears if it was me.

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