To think schoolgirls wearing exposing skirts isn’t a feminism issue but a safeguarding one?!

[Moonicorn]

Following on from the thread about skirt length inspections, AIBU to think stopping underage girls from revealing their underwear and bum cheeks to male teachers (or any teachers) isn’t ‘internalised misogyny’ but basic safeguarding?

Or am I just ‘not enlightened enough’ to understand that underage girls can expose what they want to grown men as long as they’re ‘happy and comfortable’ with it?

Disclaimer: I believe adult women can wear whatever TF they want and are not responsible for men’s reactions to them, but this is about children which is a different ball game.

Interested to know your thoughts!

The issue here is that you are equating a skirt an issue above the knee with arsenal cheeks.

Also what to you do when you go to the beach or the baths?

Do you have to take smelling salts?

I think this is the answer too

I feel I must be missing something here, parents complaining that the school want to ban girls from wearing belts masquerading as skirts?
I must be pretty behind the times if they are OK with their daughters flashing their arse cheeks to all and sundry.

Maybe a mankini or some lovely budgie smugglers next then. If that's what you feel like wearing...

Power to how everyone wants to dress and all that.

Girls are more comfortable when they can play and move and exist without having to worry about showing everything to everyone because somehow that's become the expectation for how they should dress in this porn soaked world we live in.

It's despicable, it really is. And other, older females should be able to teach them they are worth more without getting shouted down to let them wear what they want, no matter how misguided. Children will not be scarred for life if we advise them on what decent clothing is.

Obviously done in an appropriate way, and not how this school has handled things.

What people do at the beach or swimming baths is completely irrelevant. Bikinis are acceptable there. Does that mean you think girls would be justified in wearing a bikini to school? Or that it would be fine to wear one walking down the street? Or going round Sainsbury's?

I don't give a shit what they wear to school.

You were talking specifically about being in public which includes the swimming pool. You didn't mention school in the post I quoted at all. Just a public place.

Honestly you all need to get a fucking grip.

Also when I was at school they used to make us do indoor PE in fucking knicker shorts and outdoor ina gym skirt. Plus, again, swimming.

No parents are complaining because the school is measuring children's skirts and if they are a tiny bit above the knee (aka they have grown as children do) they are apparently breaking the school dress code

I flipping hate this at DD's school, am so glad she chooses to wear trousers. I see so many girls with skirts up to their cheeks and no tights in the cold weather! It's just really weird we all accept it. I feel like we have a responsibility to tell kids this is inappropriate in the same way we would tell them as toddlers not to get their willies out in the soft play or whatever... 😂

This.

Let’s not pretend that teenage girls wearing super short skirts is somehow a liberating act of feminism.

I’ve had a male SMT teacher say to me that my daughters skirts is provocative like Britney Spears. And she should change because boys can’t help it 🤯

Ok, I found the other thread now about the specific school and measuring the skirts. I think it's fair to say we are discussing two different things here. It's clear to me that the example in that thread is OTT and is being badly handled. However, the reality in many schools, including mine is that girls are choosing skirts over trousers and choosing to wear them in a v inappropriate way that makes the adults dealing with them uncomfortable. I'm not a prude but as others have said, we are talking genuinely bum skimming here.
If we were talking about builders' bum cracks in our kitchens I don't think we'd be saying they're allowed to dress how they like, we'd all be saying "eeww", "I have a right not to see that". Adult teachers are equally entitled not to be put in a position where they feel at risk at being accused of "perving"...believe it or not, there are plenty of very decent male teachers out there.

Brilliant analogy!

Good old builders bums. Put it away we all think (and say!)

What's the bloody difference!

Think of others, not just yourself. I don't want to see anyone else's arse. Or even hints of it.

And I also want to see kids (yes, even 14 year old ones) dress like kids. Ie warm and comfortable. Looked after. Cared for.

Ah yes.

Builders are often told its their own fault when they are sexually assaulted

They are routinely blamed for the thoughts actions of non builders

No answer to my question about shorts or make up I see

When I was at school we used to roll them high up to impress the boys, then we did even at a all girls school I guess it was fashion? I don't see how this is any different to when I was at school (about 30 years ago now)

We're not talking about sexual assault. We're talking about not exposing inappropriate body parts in whatever setting. Girls don't get assaulted because they're skirts are too short. That's fine .I doubt many on here would disagree with that, but just because there is a horribly high number of sexual assaults on young girls, that doesn't negate the fact that choosing to be inappropriately dressed in a formal setting like school puts perfectly nice, innocent, professional male teachers in a vulnerable position of potentially being accused of "perving" and the girls, or their parents ARE responsible for that. A male teacher cannot teach a class without looking at them. Sadly, there are girls who will make a drama out of nothing. It happens, I've seen it. It's not an either / or. We can accept two things to be true at once: that many young girls are "perved on" or sexually assaulted AND that male teachers are placed in a difficult position when young girls, in the name of feminism or free choice, expose their butt cheeks in maths class.

@Botw1

Girls and women should not be blamed for any abuse or attack. Full stop.

On a separate note, I don't want to see young girls wearing clothes that inhibit their enjoyment of life because of the porn addled world we live.

Nor do I want to see anyone's privates as I go up a flight of stairs, whether it's a school child or a builder. I feel violated if I'm forced to tbh. It's called flashing.

I don't see how anyone can argue either of those points.

If rolling up their skirts so short bum and knickers on display why do even bother wearing one.

Honestly I'd be saying take your skirt off then since you don't mind everyone seeing your arse and knickers...bet they would refuse to then.

I think it's the young male students who are the intended prey of the school girl wishing to wear exceptionally short skirts. (That was the case in my day.) Focussing less on boyfriends and more on Maths is possibly the reason why the uniform rules are enforced by teachers, male or female.

Girl's brains develop earlier and female teenagers can be very savvy and competitive.

The overall education of appropriate dress is important too. People wear sports clothes for sport, safety work wear as an outdoor tradie, party clothes for parties and conservative, respectful dress when working or dealing with customer service etc.
The look of a group of students is far smarter when the skirt lengths are similarly sensible. A local school had a phase involving the girls preferring floor length skirts. On rainy days they had a wet hemline!
Boy students would have uniform specifications to be met too.

I think it's the young male students who are the intended prey of the school girl wishing to wear exceptionally short skirts.

Well not in my school - it's all girls. But the desire to look attractive is also a status thing between girls, so they are showing off to each other.

wear very short skirts as an adult if you wish but not as a school girl

Yes they have.
On this thread someone posted a photo of a short stretchy skirt and said it rode up when she walker or sat down.
There needs to be minimum levels of decency taught to all children (and some parents) and there is absolutely no way male teachers should be involved in herding young girls into dining halls and measuring skirts. Like WTF!?
The local authorities need to be referring the headteacher and those teachers to the Education Authority or whoever for disciplinary procedures, notes on their records, and striking off if appropriate.
I hope then Education Minister wades in and tries to make a political point on the back of this, because these teachers just handed the government a free pass to come down on teachers’ conduct.

I am not sure why there is such a fuss from parents and students. Policy is policy. I work for the NHS and we have a uniform policy. If someone is not following the policy, I challenge them. It is about being smart and presentable. Why do these girls want to have their bums showing? Surely the whole idea is for the boys to notice. Can anyone thing of any other reason a girl would wish to roll their skirt so short it looks like they are not wearing one. I cannot understand parents defending the girls rights to do what they like. How will that work out for them in future jobs where there might be a uniform?

How would you feel if you turned up to work one day and all the men were sent off to their jobs and all the women had to line up to have their skirts measured (and trousers were not in the uniform policy for women) one by one by men who would then take you through a disciplinary proceeding if it wasn't exactly on your knee

Add in a growth spurt or two which adults at least don't have to contend with and that's what the school who is protesting are protesting about

Not tube skirts, not bums showing, just normal skirts that they can only buy from two suppliers both of whom sell by waist size with no option to vary the length which means taller girls are being set a rule which is physically impossible for them to meet, and a failure to meet it could impact their education.

Meanwhile the boys get to walk straight through to their classroom

@ConfusedNT That is not what OP asked.
There is already an entire thread condemning the actions of these teachers, and another supporting the children’s ‘rioting’ if you can really call it that.
The entire thing has been roundly condemned by all on all three threads.

OP asked specifically about a particular type of skirt length and whether or not is was a feminism or a safe guarding issue.

Another poster posted photos of a stretch miniskirt which she said was common and explained that it rode up when they walked or when they say down.

This has nothing to do with rulers or knee length skirts. There are plenty of threads where those high horses are being sat upon. I’m hoping that school’s actions makes it into Parliament because it was downright disgusting.

But that is not what this thread is about.