Page 5 | Just out of parents night - 11 years new novel is about a boy who wants to be a girl

Workingmomof2 · 2023-02-22T17:54:24+00:00

And the teacher was talking about it as a great book. I’m seriously not happy. Would I be unreasonable to raise this with the school. Why is this kind of idea even introduced to our children so young. No wonder they are all so confused.

YouJustDoYou · 22/02/2023 19:08

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 22/02/2023 18:44

My thoughts exactly. The child in question is a lovely child. They live nearby so all the DC play out together and everyone gets on lovely. I think because conversations have been had at school and home

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Don't forget the pink lipstick and head tilt.

ourflagmeansdeath · 22/02/2023 19:09

Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 18:59

Totally disagree. There is no need to introduce this to children in primary school, especially in a way that means that there is no discussion around the issues. I sincerely doubt children will be allowed to say I don’t think girls can turn in to boys for example. I am all for open discussion but it won’t be that. It will be lies presented as unassailable fact.

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Do understand this. I think it should be approached gently, as I know it will be seen as problematic for a child to state their true opinions without the teacher trying to be all "no this is wrong!!" if a child says something socially unaccepting rather than properly explaining it.

thirteenfiftyeight · 22/02/2023 19:10

It is a sense, a feeling inside of people that they simply do not belong in the body they have been given. It feels as if the way they truly feel about themselves and who they are does not fit with their biological sex. It is a complex but real feeling, and it is not a mental illness. It is a feeling of complex disease that can't properly be explained unless you truly are trans. I am not trans so my reasoning may not make complete sense, but it is the brief facts.

Ahhhh those pesky feelz.

You've not convinced me at all. Especially because our feelings are all in our heads. Making it bu dum tish...! A mental illness!

ourflagmeansdeath · 22/02/2023 19:12

Soontobe60 · 22/02/2023 18:54

And you, dear, are ignorant. Most research, which is limited, shows that those who transition in early adulthood retain the same degree of mental health concerns that caused them to be steered towards transition in the first place. Primarily because for the vast majority no consideration was given to co-morbidities that existed at the time they identified as trans.
there are whole swathes of detransitioners who’s lives have been blighted by being encouraged to have their breasts removed, or take opposite sex hormones leading to irreversible changes.

Anything that glorifies such brutal practices has no place in schools.

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It isn't glorifying medically transitioning to children though. The book surely doesn't talk about that at all. I do have complex views on the medically transitioning part and think it should be done with a great deal of thought, and never ever to children.

YouJustDoYou · 22/02/2023 19:12

gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

twelly · 22/02/2023 19:12

I think the is appalling and another example of how young people are being manipulated - it seems this trend is being fuelled by schools which is not acceptable. Teenagers have many fads and this one is particularly dangerous - such irresponsible actions

PaigeMatthews · 22/02/2023 19:12

Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 19:07

Is this the real plot if so it’s absolutely inappropriate. Girl has to give up part to be a good girl because a boy says he feels like he is a girl. Disgraceful

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this proving the boy is in fact very male, as females must always come second.

Needmorelego · 22/02/2023 19:13

@Eyerollcentral I remember it more that islt wasn't so much as wanting a 'girl' part in the play but that specific character. George wanted to play Charlotte because he loved the character.
I mean Charlotte is female - but she is also a spider.

bellac11 · 22/02/2023 19:14

ourflagmeansdeath · 22/02/2023 19:07

It is a sense, a feeling inside of people that they simply do not belong in the body they have been given. It feels as if the way they truly feel about themselves and who they are does not fit with their biological sex. It is a complex but real feeling, and it is not a mental illness. It is a feeling of complex disease that can't properly be explained unless you truly are trans. I am not trans so my reasoning may not make complete sense, but it is the brief facts.

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So much like most delusional mental health disorders

In what way does someone not 'fit' with their biological sex and what does that mean. How do you for example fit with your biological sex given you said you;re not trans?

YouJustDoYou · 22/02/2023 19:14

thirteenfiftyeight · 22/02/2023 19:10

It is a sense, a feeling inside of people that they simply do not belong in the body they have been given. It feels as if the way they truly feel about themselves and who they are does not fit with their biological sex. It is a complex but real feeling, and it is not a mental illness. It is a feeling of complex disease that can't properly be explained unless you truly are trans. I am not trans so my reasoning may not make complete sense, but it is the brief facts.

Ahhhh those pesky feelz.

You've not convinced me at all. Especially because our feelings are all in our heads. Making it bu dum tish...! A mental illness!

Exactly. You can't change your body. Biology is not a costume. Being a "woman" is not lipstick and skirts, long hair and low cut tops.

ourflagmeansdeath · 22/02/2023 19:14

thirteenfiftyeight · 22/02/2023 19:10

It is a sense, a feeling inside of people that they simply do not belong in the body they have been given. It feels as if the way they truly feel about themselves and who they are does not fit with their biological sex. It is a complex but real feeling, and it is not a mental illness. It is a feeling of complex disease that can't properly be explained unless you truly are trans. I am not trans so my reasoning may not make complete sense, but it is the brief facts.

Ahhhh those pesky feelz.

You've not convinced me at all. Especially because our feelings are all in our heads. Making it bu dum tish...! A mental illness!

Yes of course because all feelings inside our head are totally mental illnesses. Any sign of long-term confusion and sadness about something you feel is a mental illness, and you should be regarded as something needed to be "fixed" rather than treated with love and understanding. Your argument makes no sense at all.

viques · 22/02/2023 19:15

I just googled it out of curiosity and had to pick myself up off the floor. The book is now called Melissa, because someone pointed out it wasn’t fair to the fictional character to write a book about them using a dead name.

Honestly, you couldn’t make this stuff up could you!

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Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 19:16

ourflagmeansdeath · 22/02/2023 19:07

It is a sense, a feeling inside of people that they simply do not belong in the body they have been given. It feels as if the way they truly feel about themselves and who they are does not fit with their biological sex. It is a complex but real feeling, and it is not a mental illness. It is a feeling of complex disease that can't properly be explained unless you truly are trans. I am not trans so my reasoning may not make complete sense, but it is the brief facts.

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You can’t be born in the wrong body though. There is no such thing as girl brain or boy brain.
‘It is a feeling of complex disease that can't properly be explained unless you truly are trans.’ so how is it any different from people who hear voices telling them things that aren’t true? Or much more fittingly people with body dysmorphia who think they are profoundly ugly despite being just normally attractive people? Or people who feel they need to get a limb amputated to be their authentic self? What makes trans people different from all the above examples of people with mental illness? You have admitted it’s a thought in their head. That it disordered thinking and a harbinger of mental illness.

Timesawastin · 22/02/2023 19:16

Uptownswirl · 22/02/2023 17:59

instill critical thinking skills in your child and they can read absolutely anything and not be overly influenced by it. Encourage him to read it and pull it apart.

critical thinking is a life skill anyway so I can't see anyone objecting to this route

This. God the transphobic fragility of it all. You'll be wanting a section 28 type law any time soon.

BetterArf · 22/02/2023 19:17

viques · 22/02/2023 19:15

I just googled it out of curiosity and had to pick myself up off the floor. The book is now called Melissa, because someone pointed out it wasn’t fair to the fictional character to write a book about them using a dead name.

Honestly, you couldn’t make this stuff up could you!

Seriously?!

The batshittery is real!

PaigeMatthews · 22/02/2023 19:17

bellac11 · 22/02/2023 19:14

So much like most delusional mental health disorders

In what way does someone not 'fit' with their biological sex and what does that mean. How do you for example fit with your biological sex given you said you;re not trans?

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And without reverting to sexist stereotypes

thirteenfiftyeight · 22/02/2023 19:17

viques · 22/02/2023 19:15

I just googled it out of curiosity and had to pick myself up off the floor. The book is now called Melissa, because someone pointed out it wasn’t fair to the fictional character to write a book about them using a dead name.

Honestly, you couldn’t make this stuff up could you!

Haha I love it when the left eat themselves

Timesawastin · 22/02/2023 19:17

Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 19:16

You can’t be born in the wrong body though. There is no such thing as girl brain or boy brain.
‘It is a feeling of complex disease that can't properly be explained unless you truly are trans.’ so how is it any different from people who hear voices telling them things that aren’t true? Or much more fittingly people with body dysmorphia who think they are profoundly ugly despite being just normally attractive people? Or people who feel they need to get a limb amputated to be their authentic self? What makes trans people different from all the above examples of people with mental illness? You have admitted it’s a thought in their head. That it disordered thinking and a harbinger of mental illness.

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Exactly what they used to say about gay people.

ourflagmeansdeath · 22/02/2023 19:18

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I do apologise. I'm just trying to say that your comment made absolutely no sense. You said all feelings our inside our head - yes they are, congratulations for realising. But if you felt confused and sad about something would you immediately be calling that a mental illness? No.

I don't know if I misunderstood what you were saying, which in that case I'm sorry, but that's what I got.

thirteenfiftyeight · 22/02/2023 19:19

@Timesawastin you're being homophobic every time you compare prejudice against sexuality and the current trans cult.

Eyerollcentral · 22/02/2023 19:19

ourflagmeansdeath · 22/02/2023 19:09

Do understand this. I think it should be approached gently, as I know it will be seen as problematic for a child to state their true opinions without the teacher trying to be all "no this is wrong!!" if a child says something socially unaccepting rather than properly explaining it.

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Human beings can’t change sex though. It would be entirely inappropriate for a teacher to ‘gently explain’ that they can or introduce the entirely false concept that someone can be born in the wrong body.

SausageCat47 · 22/02/2023 19:19

BetterArf · 22/02/2023 19:08

I don’t see it as having anything to do with censorship.

I don’t send my children to Catholic school, so I wouldn’t expect to find a book that presented Catholic ideas about the world as fact on the curriculum.

This is the same thing. I don’t want gender ideology and queer theory presented to my children as unarguable fact - rather than the ideology it is - in a manipulative little story book about being kind. No, thank you.

I’m not sure reading about differing experiences is them being presented as fact and that’s why critical thinking skills is important. If my children read Moby Dick I’m not sure they think that’s fact, I think being presented with many ideas makes a more rounded education system. And schools will always present an array of books to children, our children will always experience/read things we don’t agree with and we can’t control every aspect but we can give them strength/independence/a safe space to discuss their feelings about something they’ve read and to challenge it if they want to.

Some parents won’t agree with, to take one example, nationalist/colonialist ideology presented in many 19th and early 20th century books read in schools often presented as common sense, but parents don’t always make a fuss but instead talk to their kids about how to tackle the ideas and discuss them. Learning doesn’t just happen at school.

it’s the same with things we don’t agree with on social media, we can’t shield them from everything and should give them language to challenge everything from misogyny online to influencer advertising

JackGrealishsLegs · 22/02/2023 19:20

@ourflagmeansdeath
No one is saying sad feelings in our heads need treating but a lot of people say that trans people need treatment.
Mental = in our heads
Illness = needs treatment

@thirteenfiftyeight made perfect sense and I think you know it.

LuckyCharm9 · 22/02/2023 19:20

thirteenfiftyeight · 22/02/2023 18:23

Fair enough. That is your choice, I do think a children's book is a lovely way of educating them. It is fine to wait till your child is older. But your overall view clearly shows that you'd rather your kids never properly learn about trans people ever, so I suppose for you it doesn't exactly matter.

I'll be teaching them that sex is binary and can't be changed. I'll be teaching them that people can dress however they like and that liking pink doesn't make someone a woman. I'll be teaching them that some people believe so wholly in gender stereotypes that they believe a double mastectomy on healthy breasts makes someone a man.

Yes! 👏