Just out of parents night - 11 years new novel is about a boy who wants to be a girl

[Workingmomof2]

And the teacher was talking about it as a great book. I’m seriously not happy. Would I be unreasonable to raise this with the school. Why is this kind of idea even introduced to our children so young. No wonder they are all so confused.

You keep undermining your own arguments

Long term confusion and sadness is a MH condition. Called depression. You can treat someone with depression with love and understanding but they certainly need treatment, yes. If you want to call that being fixed please do so.. My depression has been more or less 'fixed' in thatI dont have severe symptoms any more.

I think if I was suicidal from that depresison I wouldnt have benefited from someone validating and affirming 'yes your life is shit and its probably better for you to die'. That would be ignoring the fact that my issues were MH basaed.

The end of the story is the same. The female has to make way for the male because of his feelings.

Oh dear. Please stop.

I really really don't understand. Why do trans people need treatment? What is it exactly that makes them ill?

There are so many happy trans people around the world, with no mental illnesses whatsoever. They're living normal lives just like those who aren't trans. So what would you say needs to be treated about them?

Im an English teacher and someone who got this book thrown out of my child’s classroom when she was ten. Let’s be clear: there are still copies in the school library. But I went into the Head because a class reader is different; children read all sorts of books but a class reader should not be a politicised or controversial novel as this one is.

I went to the head with this information: the book contains references to searching for porn and how to medically transition on the internet. The book contains a very destabilising for young people that to want to play a role as a girl and wear a dress means you are a girl (incredibly sexist for girls as well as boys). Schools are bound by law not to introduce politically controversial ideas - and heads, whatever side they are on on this issue are wholly aware it’s controversial.

the head did one minute of online research before I’d even got to say any of this, and pulled the book. Your kid’s head should do the same. Escalate it if not. You can PM me if you need to.

Well, George might well want to be a girl, but he can't become one.
The first few pages are available on Google. Uses female pronouns for George, George then does girl things like look at beauty magazines and wishing he had that bikini and lively long hair, which girls would plait for him. Imagines wearing make up. Then he cries at Charlotte's Web, like a girl. And when his teacher says it's good for boys, he'll be a fine man, George is upset about being seen as a male.

Can you have a read OP and see if the whole thing hangs on regressive stereotypes and female socialisation? And complain on those grounds as well as well as ensuring that children aren't being sold a lie.

Are you for real? Obviously every feeling of sadness is not a sign of mental illness. Feeling you are a woman when you are a man is delusional. It’s shocking to me that you cannot see that.

What is it exactly that makes them ill?

Taking cross hormones and amputating healthy breasts/penises seems normal to you? Really?

Not going to lie the book seems a bit horrible. Definitely playing into gender stereotypes, I really dislike this. Really do. Since when was crying at books supposed to be some sort of amazing, sensitive thing for boys. It's just normal human behaviour.

Still stand by my point on other trans issues but think this book portrays trans people incorrectly from what I've seen.

Oh you mean like common garden dissociation a feeling you are not connected to yourself you mean, often as a result of trauma?

Basically trans is a dissociative disorder then and needs treating like other disorders where you dissociate from your true identity?

it’s almost like many trans people will have experienced triggers similar to those diagnosed with dissociative disorders

I wouldn't be happy about this.

Schools should be introducing kids to the fact that some people believe their gender is different from their sex, and initiating discussion and debate around it because not everyone accepts that gender is separate from biological sex etc. Not pushing the trans ideology onto children as if it an 'accepted and not to be criticised' belief.

What do you think is exactly the same that was said about gay people? Pinpoint it for me.
Further, gay attraction can be assessed and measured - men and women becoming aroused at their same sex. A feeling in someone’s head cannot be. It’s incredibly homophobic to keep parroting this line.

That's their body. Their choice. Sure they're healthy, but if they don't want them why should they be forced to have them? Once again, what is your issue with someone doing this and living a happy, loving life? I'd say caring about someone's happiness is more important than worrying what they're doing with their body.

Depends on the book really… in the US there are instances of parents not being allowed to read aloud books that available to their children in classes because they are deemed indecent for public school board meetings. Some of them have illustrations of sex acts and explicit ‘how to’ for sex acts.

I am not a prude about reading material as a general rule for kids, but I think there is a different beer for assigned reading.

Beeeeecaauuuuse young people are being indoctrinated, making these decisions and then regretting them. Ending up mutilated and infertile.

Ok fine, I don't care what adults do, but I do care when it affects children and young people. It's scandalous.

Google detrans. If you care about learning anything.

Are there? There are much higher rates of mental illness amongst the trans community than other cohorts. In any event there are probably quite a few happy delusional people in other ways, should be affirming them all that they actually are napoleon too?

Wouldn’t be happy about this atall, but it’s everywhere these days. Impossible to shield them once they start high school. Have to keep talking to them about things and keep dialogue open.

If someone hates their body because they think they are fat, then starves themself we treat them for their mental illness. If someone hates their body because they think have the wrong genitals we affirm this, promote them mutilating themselves, and feed them hormones to make them infertile. THEN we go into schools and tell 11 year olds this is perfectly ok. Adults can do whatever they like, but get this crap out of schools.

Look, I don’t care if trans people get ‘treated’ or not. Some people with MH issues do, some don’t. It should at least be an option, but what other adults do for their own mental health is outside of my control.

I also don’t really care if John wants to wear a skirt and call himself Jane.

What I do care about is safeguarding children and protecting women’s rights.

I don’t want children experiencing dysphoria to be indoctrinated with an ideology that tells them transitioning is the answer to their feelings of discomfort or identity issues.

I don’t want John-who-was-Jane to demand we all collude in his dysphoria / fetish and make demands on society that gravely disadvantage women.

I absolutely do not want schools teaching about these issues with the current biased slant we are seeing in the UK. Essentially there is (to coin a TRA phrase) #nodebate on this issue. I’m absolutely not on board with that being how my kids learn about it.

Yep, already said this. Literally agree with this and have said it before so unsure what your point is. I don't agree with children doing this as they are easily affected and it can be dangerous. Also they change their minds a lot, plenty of my daughter's friends have detransitioned. But I was under the impression we were talking about adult people who had gone through medical transitions. That doesn't affect you.

It is incredible such a regressive book would even be considered. Genuinely shocking.

Have to agree with you, it makes no sense.

You didnt believe that at all. The thread title and op are clear that this is about 11 year olds

It is mad, simply mad, that you think it is more reasonable to amputate healthy body parts and pump someone full of cross sex hormones rather than give them treatment to address the trauma which has caused them to dissociate from their body. Genuinely mad.