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Just out of parents night - 11 years new novel is about a boy who wants to be a girl

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Workingmomof2 · 22/02/2023 17:54

And the teacher was talking about it as a great book. I’m seriously not happy. Would I be unreasonable to raise this with the school. Why is this kind of idea even introduced to our children so young. No wonder they are all so confused.

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OMG12 · 24/02/2023 09:24

Happylittlechicken · 24/02/2023 09:18

So I’m confused, books, discussion and websites about pro suicide and pro anorexia are banned as it is recognised that social contagion, especially amongst children, is a real thing and these ideas are dangerous, but books and websites telling children they can change sex if they take drugs with unknown effects and mutilate their bodies is allowed? Why?

Oh didn’t you know? Using the magic word trans means that rules regarding biology, psychology, common sense, free speech and safeguarding, actually the very concept of reality, no longer applies.

We really need to close the wormhole to this particular universe (preferably with its inhabitants trapped in there for eternity),

Digitalhen · 24/02/2023 10:10

HairyPooter · 23/02/2023 20:39

Cracking post DigitalHen

I'm afraid that it was partly having to deal with exactly these types of teachers that I have left teaching.

Oh I can relate.

It’s not only gender, it’s every other arm and offshoot of social justice isn’t it? A whole slew of relativity based post modern nonsense. Non is ‘education’ or education worthy, just a bunch of ideas and opinions.

And absolutely none of it needs to be in the classroom! We have a plethora of amazing literature to read to children, classic, tried and tested stuff. We have so much stuff to get on with; scientific and math based concepts, spelling, grammer, basic geography and history, drama, music, art… there will never be enough time to cover a good quota of that in sufficient depth for decent understanding if we spend time arguing and faffing over whether a lesson needs to include a discussion on gender based pronouns.

So much of this extra could wait until children reach adulthood and have enough contextual knowledge about the world in order for them decide if these issues warrant discussion or have merit. Primary school is not the time. And if 8 year olds know about transgenderism and bring it up then (1) I feel a bit sad for them that they’ve been weighed down with an (adult pushed) issue that they don’t need to grapple with 2) it’s an educators job to say we have no evidence that anyone can change sex (quite the opposite) and that not identifying with sex based stereotypes does not mean they’re in the wrong body. They’re just normal kids. With personalities.

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 24/02/2023 12:19

Some of these posts really do sound like section 28 all over again.
I wasn't allowed to be taught about LGBT stuff all the way through school.
Presumably through the exact same reasons demonstrated by some adults on this thread.
What do they need to go knowing about being gay for?! There's so many subjects out there they need to know about like Maths and English, stick to them, they don't need to about being gay, they're just normal kids with personalities! 🙄
Exact. Same. Argument.
With a side order of ban anyone under the age of 35 from teaching as they "must be captured."

FourTeaFallOut · 24/02/2023 12:24

Which other dysphorias do you believe should be normalized in school?

stbrandonsboat · 24/02/2023 12:28

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RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 24/02/2023 12:31

Fucking hell 😳 you did'nae?!

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 24/02/2023 12:33

I seem to have turned Scottish 😳😂

ImissLemmings · 24/02/2023 12:42

thirteenfiftyeight · 22/02/2023 18:11

Considering they make up a vanishingly small percentage of the population I would argue it's not 'normal' in the most basic sense of the word.

^^ This

I don’t agree with political propaganda in schools and I particularly don’t agree with brainwashing young children.

This book isn’t saying that ‘trans people exist’ it’s saying that it is possible to be born in the wrong body (which is simply untrue, and lies should not be taught in school) and that this is somehow a good thing that others should admire and support.

ImissLemmings · 24/02/2023 12:45

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 24/02/2023 12:19

Some of these posts really do sound like section 28 all over again.
I wasn't allowed to be taught about LGBT stuff all the way through school.
Presumably through the exact same reasons demonstrated by some adults on this thread.
What do they need to go knowing about being gay for?! There's so many subjects out there they need to know about like Maths and English, stick to them, they don't need to about being gay, they're just normal kids with personalities! 🙄
Exact. Same. Argument.
With a side order of ban anyone under the age of 35 from teaching as they "must be captured."

If the consequence of scrapping section 28 is drag queens leering at preschoolers while singing nursery rhymes about sex, lesbians being bullied into accepting penetrative sex with ‘girl dick’ and gay teens being pressured into surgery that sterilises them and ruins their bones, I say bring back section 28.

MorganKitten · 24/02/2023 12:47

bellac11 · 22/02/2023 18:29

Yep

Wheres the book of the child who wants to be skinny and so wants people to support them to attend weight watchers and feels so horrified by their body they want to harm themselves if people dont say things like 'yes we'll support you to lose weight'.

Life in the Fat Lane by Cherie Bennett
Blubber by Judy Blume
My Big Fat Manifesto by Susan Vaught
13 Ways of Looking at a Fat Girl by Mona Awad
Dumplin’ by Julie Murphy

Eyerollcentral · 24/02/2023 13:19

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 24/02/2023 12:19

Some of these posts really do sound like section 28 all over again.
I wasn't allowed to be taught about LGBT stuff all the way through school.
Presumably through the exact same reasons demonstrated by some adults on this thread.
What do they need to go knowing about being gay for?! There's so many subjects out there they need to know about like Maths and English, stick to them, they don't need to about being gay, they're just normal kids with personalities! 🙄
Exact. Same. Argument.
With a side order of ban anyone under the age of 35 from teaching as they "must be captured."

Gender ideology is not fact. It’s an idea. An idea that a lot of people profoundly disagree with. If it were to be taught as some people say they are born in the wrong body but others say that isn’t true, that would be one thing. But it isn’t being taught like that. It’s being taught that it is true. Teaching you can change sex when you cannot or that you can identify as being sexless when you cannot is not the same as saying gay people exist.

SnackSizeRaisin · 24/02/2023 13:31

SausageCat47 · 22/02/2023 19:45

Very confused by all the gender dysphoria discussions here, from
the brain scan research I read by the Cleveland clinic, brain scans showed that trans brains are structurally more like the gender they identify as. So someone born with a penis but turns out to be trans and identify as a women when they’re older, actually has a brain structure more similar to a women—this is pretty straightforward research.

I’ve also read that the 1950s gender/chromosome research used for many years is largely discredited now by geneticists, apparently XX and XY can appear more of a mosaic in many individuals. So yes, gender dysphoria is real and more a physiological phenomenon than a simple ‘mental illness’, and gender biology isn’t straightforward.

I’ve read a lot about biology recently, not really about gender, and so much isn’t as clear cut as 19th/20th century scientists thought. I mean things move on, people used to think cholera was transmitted through bad smells (miasma theory)!

I’m not saying I agree with all the trans rights movements, but just pointing out I don’t think the issue is only psychological and not—to some extent- also biological. It’s a complex issue that has been massively oversimplified. This is like the new global warming debate.

I don’t usually get into trans rights discussions on here, so I’m probably going to get lynched now, I’m mostly here for the discussions on cats and books and finances 🫣

There is no difference between male and female brains once you take out the difference relative to body size. Small men's brains are no different to large women's. Don't believe everything you read online - check it has a basis in peer reviewed scientific journals.

The vast majority of people are either XX or XY. That is because we are made from 1 egg (x) from our mother and 1 sperm (y) from our father. The only way there can be any different combination is if something went wrong during reproduction. That occasionally happens but is rare . It's a separate issue from social transgenderism.

twitterexile · 24/02/2023 13:56

Good time to plonk this here:

www.transgendertrend.com/brain-research/

stbrandonsboat · 24/02/2023 14:20

Why was my post deleted? A bit too close to the truth? Of course, we're in a post truth world now aren't we?

Digitalhen · 24/02/2023 16:09

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 24/02/2023 12:19

Some of these posts really do sound like section 28 all over again.
I wasn't allowed to be taught about LGBT stuff all the way through school.
Presumably through the exact same reasons demonstrated by some adults on this thread.
What do they need to go knowing about being gay for?! There's so many subjects out there they need to know about like Maths and English, stick to them, they don't need to about being gay, they're just normal kids with personalities! 🙄
Exact. Same. Argument.
With a side order of ban anyone under the age of 35 from teaching as they "must be captured."

Trans has nothing to do with LGB.

Trans is a massive umbrella that includes everything from middle aged hetro men with autogynephilia to young teen girls with body dysphoria. Those two individuals are so far apart they have nothing in common. Trans is not a sexuality like LGB. It’s anything in between a sexual fetish to a social contagion to a mental health issue. Not sexuality. Tho it appears there’s a great deal of homophobia within the movement.

TBH your comment comparing it to LGB just sounds like you are not really educated on the issue. Listen to gay/lesbians regarding this:

https://www.youtube.com/live/5NltdPiSAxE?feature=share

Also the many videos in this channel concerning the issue:

https://youtube.com/@WhoseBodyIsIt

Digitalhen · 24/02/2023 16:25

Again with correct links:

Whose Body is it channel:

The hidden homophobia in gender ideology with Dennis Noel Kavanagh:
https://www.youtube.com/live/5NltdPiSAxE?feature=share

Johnisafckface · 24/02/2023 17:11

I wouldn't like this either especially at that age. I'm pretty open minded but I don't understand why this needs to be introduced to kids that young.

HairyPooter · 24/02/2023 17:48

Me also. They were starting to appear a few years ago and I was both bewildered and afraid when I saw how RIGHT they thought they were - arrogant and an inability to bend or flex in any way.

@twitterexile Yes, absolutely. The lack of nuance, the rigid thinking, the absolute belief that they are right. And if you push back, even slightly, even with humour, they fall apart and feel victimised.

As @Digitalhen says it's not just trans ideology. It's everything. The Black teacher whose lessons apparently wasn't focused enough on equality and diversity! My Asian teacher friend accused of internalised racism because she (from a privately educated middle class background) said that being a woman had a larger, more negative impact on her than her race ever had. The absolute refusal to accept this as her lived experience.

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 24/02/2023 23:19

stbrandonsboat · 24/02/2023 14:20

Why was my post deleted? A bit too close to the truth? Of course, we're in a post truth world now aren't we?

Maybe because of the utterly foul homophobia, never actually seen it that blatant on here before.
Was disgusting, even though you think it's "the truth" , whatever.
Glad it's gone, although no doubt you'll be back to make another such comment enough to turn me Scottish again 😬

stbrandonsboat · 24/02/2023 23:33

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 24/02/2023 23:19

Maybe because of the utterly foul homophobia, never actually seen it that blatant on here before.
Was disgusting, even though you think it's "the truth" , whatever.
Glad it's gone, although no doubt you'll be back to make another such comment enough to turn me Scottish again 😬

Describing how far queer theory can go isn't homophobia.

twitterexile · 25/02/2023 08:56

Stonewall has really done a number on people in hitching the queer theory/trans wagon to LGB rights, no?

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