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Who is out of order here?

427 replies

fornical · 20/02/2023 20:30

I run a healthy meal delivery company. I have several delivery drivers, however, having an issue with one in particular. My delivery drivers are self employed. Deliveries happen on a Saturday.

Long story short, I've had one of my delivery drivers for over a year now. I pay her £10 per hour and 45 pence per mile. She drives from Essex to London to collect the deliveries then back to Essex to deliver them every Saturday. She arrives to collect them at 9 am.

I text her asking for the next six weeks if she could be at pick up point at 8 am rather than 9 am.

She replied - 'See to be honest, it’s unsociable hours with it being so early at the weekend and having to get Amelia out of bed etc. I’d have to put my price up to £15 per hour. Let me know if you would be happy to go ahead with that or not. If you can’t though don’t worry I understand, It just means I’ll have to be getting up at 6.30 on a Saturday and my daughter too. Just wouldn’t be worth my while for tenner an hour xx'

AIBU to think this is totally unreasonable and out of the blue? How did she jump from £10 an hour to £15 because I asked her to come in one hour earlier. Am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
BadNomad · 21/02/2023 05:27

Why not hire someone in London to collect the food then drive it to Essex to deliver? No early start then.

America12 · 21/02/2023 05:41

fornical · 20/02/2023 20:45

No she doesn't get paid for the drive from Essex to London. Just from moment she collects deliveries

Wow

SantanaBinLorry · 21/02/2023 06:05

Full on Tory behaviour OP. Bad form.
I hope she leaves you in the shit. Your own business isn't viable if you can't pay your staff/contractors properly.

UdoU · 21/02/2023 06:22

Do you pay her the 45p per mile for the Essex to London drive?

namechangeforthisbleep · 21/02/2023 06:33

I agree with you all but just one thing is that she chose to work in London. We don't get paid to travel to work, ie the mileage. That bit is on her

IndiaDreamer · 21/02/2023 06:40

OldFan · 21/02/2023 02:20

She probably won't be paying any tax or anything as a result of her 4 hours' work a week for OP. A jump of 50% in her pay would be a lot.

But if she's working elsewhere she may be paying tax and ni. That four hours would be party of that.

Redebs · 21/02/2023 06:41

You have a healthy meal company, but don't pay your staff enough to have a healthy lifestyle.
You want her to get her daughter up at 6:30 on a weekend?

Why don't you do the early hour yourself?

You disgust me, OP!

Redebs · 21/02/2023 06:43

BadNomad · 21/02/2023 05:27

Why not hire someone in London to collect the food then drive it to Essex to deliver? No early start then.

Who could afford to live in London on a £10ph wage?

CowboyHat · 21/02/2023 06:43

fornical · 20/02/2023 20:38

Because £10 per hour to £15 is quite a jump

So make a counter offer. It’s just a negotiation.

However, I don’t think she’s being unreasonable. £10/hour is very low.

Redebs · 21/02/2023 06:44

OP, I guess your employees have to claim benefits to supplement their wages? The taxpayer is subsidising your 'healthy' business then.

Againstmachine · 21/02/2023 06:45

fornical · 20/02/2023 21:24

I can't pay her annual leave, sick pay etc. She literally works for me for four hours.

Yes you can you are choosing not too.

Why don't you work those four hours as you clearly don't think the people you pay have any value.

EmmaDilemma5 · 21/02/2023 06:48

YABU not to consider this. I think you'd struggle to replace her for £10/hr especially for someone reliable.

No one is being unreasonable. She has told you what she wants, it's up to you to accept or not. If £10/hr is reasonable, then you won't have a problem replacing her.

PooHeads · 21/02/2023 06:49

Soubriquet · 20/02/2023 20:33

Why isn’t it? Minimum wage is £9.18 an hour so she’s already getting more than minimum

Hilarious that you think getting 82p above minimum wage is a “good” wage 🤪

Redebs · 21/02/2023 06:51

Againstmachine · 21/02/2023 06:45

Yes you can you are choosing not too.

Why don't you work those four hours as you clearly don't think the people you pay have any value.

Yes. You work for £40 yourself OP.

How healthy can YOU afford to eat on that?

Inkpotlover · 21/02/2023 06:57

fornical · 20/02/2023 20:45

No she doesn't get paid for the drive from Essex to London. Just from moment she collects deliveries

Wow. I know people don't usually get paid to travelling to work, but if she's making her own way to you for barely minimum wage, I don't blame her for not wanting to change her agreed hours unless there's a pay rise in it for her.

Onwayoutsoon · 21/02/2023 07:01

America12 · 21/02/2023 05:41

Wow

my first thought too!

LaurieFairyCake · 21/02/2023 07:11

That's dreadful pay, really bad.

mickeysmug · 21/02/2023 07:16

LaurieFairyCake · 21/02/2023 07:11

That's dreadful pay, really bad.

I have to agree.

77toozy · 21/02/2023 07:25

Fair dos, you changed the terms and she changed her price, check mate. You either look for another driver or pay her.

FfaCoffi · 21/02/2023 07:26

Your attitude stinks. The jobs you offer are poverty pay and crap conditions. You will lose good staff.

She's not taking the piss, you are. It's a shame you can't see it.

sydneysunset · 21/02/2023 07:26

I'm definitely on the driver's side here.

shockthemonkey · 21/02/2023 07:26

OP, if the company is doing OK I’d feel morally obliged to pay all drivers a decent wage.

You will be surprised how good it feels to share the profits (in the form of a pay rise) with those who’ve helped create them. Even if the profits are modest.

TenoringBehind · 21/02/2023 07:28

YABVU

littlefireseverywhere · 21/02/2023 07:32

I think her rate seems reasonable I’d pay it

littlefireseverywhere · 21/02/2023 07:32

And pay her from home!