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Skinny privellege

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Annabella91 · 20/02/2023 08:40

Why is there shops full of clothes for women who are skinnt but nothing bigger i hate going clothes literally can never find anything in a size 16 it's all size 6 and 8 is the fat back in the 90s discrimination trend coming in again?? Shouldn't need to skinny to look nice??

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Courgeon · 20/02/2023 12:00

isthismylifenow · 20/02/2023 11:54

Totally disagree with this.

I am a smaller size and our equivalent of M&S have really annoyed me as they are very into vanity sizing. So for eg, if I was an 8 from there years ago, I then had to buy a 6. Now a size 6 has also been sized different, so from there I need to look for a 4. But there is nothing available in size 4 , as everything is size 8,10,12 (which are not true 8,10,12). I have to either order online which I won't do as I don't trust their sizings, or I have to travel to a main store where may have stock.

It is a complete PITA as I do like some staples from there and this issue is pissing me off a whole lot. I did contact them about it, I got the generic, we will let our buyers / manufacturers know blah blah blah.

I think if you cannot find items in your size, its because it is sold out, or actually now in the new smaller size.

Agree with this, but there are variables even within m&s! Their size 8 dresses are like tents on me but the jeans are too tight, size 10 too big.

I'm usually between an 8 and a 10. I have a vintage skirt from 1979 that is a 14 it can be too tight on me if I put on a kg or so. If you watch top of the pops from the 80s and 90s everyone looks very slim but we all had naturally more active lives and ate less junk/, take aways.

Yarrawonga · 20/02/2023 12:01

Meh I think it’s harder to find middle sizes tbh, went shopping last week and almost every sale item was either 6-8 or a 16!

No, it’s definitely the small sizes that are harder to find than the bigger sizes. Even if you do find them, vanity sizing means that they will probably fall off.

Seasonofthewitch83 · 20/02/2023 12:01

BrightYellowDaffodil · 20/02/2023 12:00

That is awful, and examples of people just being bastards. But your body type is still seen as aspirational in society. Slim is still seen as the ideal and automatically assumed as healthy, even if you are not. That is what privilege is.

Maybe it's just common sense telling us that it's unhealthy to be fat, and that society/shops/whatever aren't going to make endless accommodations for those who don't take responsibility for themselves. I do NOT include people who are overweight through no fault of their own in that statement, it's aimed at people who could do something and choose not to. See also: body postivism/anti-fat shaming: something peddled by someone I used to know who was proud of the fact she couldn't fit into a theatre seat.

But how do you know who has no choice? You don't.

rexythedinosaur · 20/02/2023 12:02

Annabella91 · 20/02/2023 10:03

M&s is for older women 🤣 I'm 31 lol

I think M&S is OK for any age. Except maybe teens wanting to be super fashionable but I've been shopping there since my 20's amongst other high street shop. They are great for basics and underwear.

Dixiechickonhols · 20/02/2023 12:03

Cheaper shops like primark or cheaper clothing options like leggings often come in joint sizes so 12-14 is a medium. It’s just statistically more likely that more women are that size so on the rack are small 8-10 and large 16-18 left.
Some depends on customer demographics - my teen moans there are no xs left in shops she goes in but the type of clothes they sell appeal to slim teens so the extra small ones sell out first.

Seasonofthewitch83 · 20/02/2023 12:06

And just to add, this is the whole issue in a nutshell.

You do not know why someone is at the size they are. if they are on a weight loss journey or not, if they are suffering with an eating disorder, whether they have an illness. Maybe they are just fat.

You do not KNOW. So you cannot set parameters of when you think people should be treated fairly and with respect. Fat people, for whatever reason, are allowed to exist.

And with that, it means being aware of the barriers that society has set up for them that may impact on their day to day living, like access to medical care without bias, to clothes that fit.

TheFishWhoClimbedTheTree · 20/02/2023 12:06

ChickenDhansak82 · 20/02/2023 09:31

ARGH! I think it is the other way round.

So many clothes in a size 14 to 16 compared to size 8 or even a 10 on the shelves.

The sales are just what is left over - usually the poorly fitting items where you try on your normal size and it looks ridiculous.

And you should try being a size 10 and nearly 5'11!! So many 14+ pairs of jeans the other day but hardly anything in a 10, then so many of the size 10s short length, as they seem to assume slimmer people are also really short!

And just to get this clear, size 8 is NOT skinny unless you are over 6ft tall. It is a NORMAL size. Most people in a size 14 unless you are quite tall would be considered overweight.

This.

HoppingPavlova · 20/02/2023 12:09

I don’t think there is enough stock at either end, skinny or fat. DD is a 6 and often size is sold out quickly. I’m a real fatty and there is never anything in my size, always sold out so I presume hardly any made. Lots of stuff for people inbetween.

ElliF · 20/02/2023 12:10

Annabella91 · 20/02/2023 08:40

Why is there shops full of clothes for women who are skinnt but nothing bigger i hate going clothes literally can never find anything in a size 16 it's all size 6 and 8 is the fat back in the 90s discrimination trend coming in again?? Shouldn't need to skinny to look nice??

I’m just guessing, but maybe because shops want to earn money. It’s a fact of life that thin people spend more on clothes, not because they are thin and have more money, or because they have greater choice and just have to have everything they desire, but because they instinctively care more about their appearance (The ones who buy a lot of clothes do anyways.)

I’m a size 18 (maybe a 20 in some stores) and I miss some of the shops that I used to visit that have fallen by the wayside.

But bottom line is shops are in the business of making money, not carrying dead stock just on the off chance a larger customer comes in, and they are certainly not in the business of commissioning special designs for their larger customers. It a loss making exercise, and they are not going to write losses just to be PC.

When I used to go on holiday (many years ago) I used to buy a tonne of clothes in Florida. Their population is larger and they have the customer base to make clothes for larger girls. One year I bought so many clothes we had to buy another suitcase to get them home.

Its not discrimination. It’s perfectly logical. I shop for clothes maybe twice a year, and usually online. I’m also short, so it’s an added challenge.

Calphurnia88 · 20/02/2023 12:11

Seasonofthewitch83 · 20/02/2023 12:01

But how do you know who has no choice? You don't.

Many do, according to this Harvard article: www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity-prevention-source/obesity-causes/genes-and-obesity/

What’s increasingly clear from these early findings is that genetic factors identified so far make only a small contribution to obesity risk-and that our genes are not our destiny: Many people who carry these so-called “obesity genes” do not become overweight, and healthy lifestyles can counteract these genetic effects.

Genetic changes are unlikely to explain the rapid spread of obesity around the globe. (1) That’s because the “gene poolthe frequency of different genes across a population-remains fairly stable for many generations. It takes a long time for new mutations or polymorphisms to spread. So if our genes have stayed largely the same, what has changed over the past 40 years of rising obesity rates? Our environment: the physical, social, political, and economic surroundings that influence how much we eat and how active we are. Environmental changes that make it easier for people to overeat, and harder for people to get enough physical activity, have played a key role in triggering the recent surge of overweight and obesity.

YourApplePie · 20/02/2023 12:11

Respectfully, this is not really what thin privilege is about...

Coffeepot72 · 20/02/2023 12:14

Why does the term 'privilege' need to be used here? I think that sounds antagonistic in this context.

Getthekernowlook · 20/02/2023 12:15

Supply and demand.

Stop labelling everything. It's pathetic

ElliF · 20/02/2023 12:16

And it’s not ‘skinny privilege’. Thin people do look nicer than larger people on the whole. I look at a 6’4” guy who works out and I think he looks better than a 5’8” guy who’s carrying 22st. That’s perfectly normal and not in anyway fat phobic. It’s the old adage that anything looks good on a good body. Mine isn’t, and I do not currently care to do anything about it.

Kennykenkencat · 20/02/2023 12:16

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 20/02/2023 09:53

This is wrong.

The taller someone is the bigger they are. That’s lengths often increase slightly as you go up the size ranges. This was always obviuos when l was cutting and grading patterns for manufacturers.

Just because someone is tall doesn’t mean they are bigger

Dd shop in the childrens section predominantly because for some reason the childrens section caters for those who are taller.
As soon as you reach the adult sizes apparently you shrink in height.

She can get trousers that have a leg length that fit her perfectly in the childrens section but transition to the adult section and your leg length shrinks.

Only places she had found the leg length and size that fit her is in the more designer stores.

For work she has just had to buy a new suit, one that actually fits her and it cost hundreds.

I have off the peg clothes from the 80s that are labelled size 8 or 10 and dd fits them perfectly.

She once went into a store and asked if they did the longer leg length in a certain size and was told that they didn’t as they didn’t want to promote people with anorexia.

ElliF · 20/02/2023 12:17

Getthekernowlook · 20/02/2023 12:15

Supply and demand.

Stop labelling everything. It's pathetic

Spot on!
Don’t play the victim card.

Nosleepforthismum · 20/02/2023 12:18

Annabella91 · 20/02/2023 10:03

M&s is for older women 🤣 I'm 31 lol

Outraged at this comment. 32 and bloody love M&S 😅

Ilikeviognier · 20/02/2023 12:20

I absolutely don’t find this. I’m a 6 and never buy clothes in shops (only online) as there is never anything in my size. Maybe it depends where you go.

ArmchairAnarchist2 · 20/02/2023 12:22

HRTFT I'm very thin and 5'4" I think I'm about a size 4 ( probably less but definitely less than a six) but will buy a six. Tell me where all these clothes shops are so I can indulge my skinny privilege' and find some clothes that fit? I have to shop in children's sections to find jeans or anything fitted. An 8 with vanity sizing is not skinny by a long shot and I guarantee it's easier for you to buy clothes than me.
I hate being this thin and posts like this make me feel even more crap about something that's beyond my control.

HelloBunny · 20/02/2023 12:22

It’s cheaper to manufacture the smaller sizes. They are therefore more widely available in fashion stores.

Ilikeviognier · 20/02/2023 12:24

Also on vanity sizing - in the 90s I was a top shop size 10. Now I’m a 6 or even a 4 depending on the shops and I’m the same weight, so something has changed and it’s not me.

Pricklyheath · 20/02/2023 12:25

I'm jealous of people with a 4 or 5 shoe size.
I find size 6 shoes sell very quickly.
Not sure what privilege my dd has with her little narrow feet though, it was a nightmare when she wanted fashionable school shoes as a teen

chaosmaker · 20/02/2023 12:26

Vanity sizing needs to go. Own the fat and the corresponding clothes size that goes with it.

ImSorryThatWasJustANoise · 20/02/2023 12:27

Einszwei · 20/02/2023 08:42

In most mainstream shops it's because 16 is a popular size. A 6 is far less common.

My friend said this. Her size goes really quick and often the smaller sizes are left.

Yarrawonga · 20/02/2023 12:28

It’s cheaper to manufacture the smaller sizes. They are therefore more widely available in fashion stores.

There’s no point in making or stocking clothes that few people are going to buy.

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