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to think about leaving DH due to infertility

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backoftheplane · 19/02/2023 16:12

DH and I have been together nearly 11 years (for context, he's actually DP, we're not married but we've just been together for ages and that's how we refer to each other). We found out last year that we have no chance of conceiving naturally due to male factor infertility. I want to explore whether ICSI is an option. I found an excellent fertility doctor for DH a month ago and he still hasn't made an appointment. He said he wants to think about whether or not he even does. I'm devastated. I've posted previously about how depressed the whole situation is making me. Beyond saying he wants to "think about it" DH won't talk about it (he gets angry when I bring it up). He has said no to donor sperm (which I tend to feel the same way about). I just want him to go get a scan. I want to know that we did everything we could. He says he definitely wouldn't have an operation - even the small one needed if ICSI were to be an option. I'm not coping, and I'm considering leaving – but this also feels unfair to DH. When I brought it up again today he snapped that he wouldn't put pressure on me if the situation were reversed.

I've been looking at a lot of previous MN posts about this. It seems that when women who are infertile post about their male partners leaving because of infertility, the overwhelming advice is that the male partner is awful, should be prioritising the female partner with infertility issues and standing by them etc.

When it's the opposite way (my situation) – a woman who is with a male partner with male factor infertility, the overwhelming advice is to leave because otherwise the female partner will regret not having children.

I'm so torn. I know it's not necessarily fair to leave because of something outside of DH's control – but I do feel like it is within his control to explore our options, and he is not doing this. And, even if I do leave where does that leave me? I'm not automatically just going to have children. I'm 38. I will be grieving the end of a decade-long relationship, trying to set up my whole life again, and I'm sure that partners that you want to have children with don't just suddenly appear. So instead of being childless and in a relationship, I would be childless and single. I'm not interested in 'going it alone' either – I simply don't have the support network or financial security on my own.

I just think about the future and feel so sad and lonely. I also live on the other side of the world to all my family and good friends, and I just don't know where to turn.

Please note, I am NOT looking for suggestions like adoption, donor sperm, lifestyle changes etc... I have spent 6 months looking into this and I already know what my options are and what would / wouldn't work for us.

OP posts:
QueenCamilla · 22/02/2023 01:56

The insensitivity stupidity of some posters... I have wonderful kids, I have a great marriage - kids are not all there is 🙄
That's like a rich dudes wife "educating" her cleaner that there's more to life than money...

To put another perspective on this - I was married for 10 years, we had a son together. I don't have a husband anymore but I still have my son. I can find another DP (if I'll ever fancy that! ) in my 40s,50s,60s,70s - as long as the living daylights last! No clock, no rush, no hurt, no pressure.

KimberleyClark · 22/02/2023 06:29

You'd be mad to forego having a child because of this situation.

Surely that is for the OP to determine. There’s no guarantee she WILL have a child whatever she does. Or whatever her partner does.

KimberleyClark · 22/02/2023 06:37

To put another perspective on this - I was married for 10 years, we had a son together. I don't have a husband anymore but I still have my son. I can find another DP (if I'll ever fancy that! ) in my 40s,50s,60s,70s - as long as the living daylights last! No clock, no rush, no hurt, no pressure.

Judging from what I read on MN finding a good man is not easy whatever your age.

DH and I couldn’t have children together. Issues on both sides. We might both have been able to have children with more fertile partners - but we wanted to stay together more. That’s a perfectly valid choice and nothing naive about it.

Golaz · 22/02/2023 09:03

QueenCamilla · 22/02/2023 01:56

The insensitivity stupidity of some posters... I have wonderful kids, I have a great marriage - kids are not all there is 🙄
That's like a rich dudes wife "educating" her cleaner that there's more to life than money...

To put another perspective on this - I was married for 10 years, we had a son together. I don't have a husband anymore but I still have my son. I can find another DP (if I'll ever fancy that! ) in my 40s,50s,60s,70s - as long as the living daylights last! No clock, no rush, no hurt, no pressure.

100%

gannett · 22/02/2023 09:17

Benjispruce4 · 21/02/2023 16:43

I’d choose partner over children. When I met my DH I wanted to spend my life with him no matter what. He wasn’t simply a way to have children .

Same. Surely the only reason to actually be in a relationship is because you love that person for who they are, not for what they can give you? And that they're enough for you?

An alarming number of posts on this thread make the desire to be a mother seem borderline sociopathic. The whole "nothing would ever stop me from having children and I'd ditch a partner I loved in a heartbeat to get what I wanted" vibe. People who treat others as disposable when it comes to getting jobs or status no matter what are seen as cunts.

I've never wanted children so you can say I just don't understand that desire but reading this I'm bloody thankful for that, if it means I can treat the people around me with respect.

It's also bullshit to condemn the husband for not wanting to go through a medical process that could be intrusive or uncomfortable or expensive. I have a friend who wanted children, but she and her husband couldn't have them - and it wasn't a question for her, she didn't want them enough to go through IVF or endless stressful rounds of finding out what was "wrong" with her or her husband. She decided to cut her losses and be happy with her life (and she still is happy). It's a perfectly valid choice to want something, but not be willing to do absolutely everything to get it.

HistoryFanatic · 22/02/2023 09:21

Benjispruce4 · 21/02/2023 18:42

Would you consider adoption?

🙄

GoodChat · 22/02/2023 09:22

@gannett she's not condemning him for not wanting any procedure - just for his refusal to discuss things with her

gannett · 22/02/2023 09:39

GoodChat · 22/02/2023 09:22

@gannett she's not condemning him for not wanting any procedure - just for his refusal to discuss things with her

"He says he definitely wouldn't have an operation" from the OP. What she wants isn't a discussion, it's to pressure him to change his mind.

GoodChat · 22/02/2023 09:44

@gannett read all her posts.

KimberleyClark · 22/02/2023 09:48

An alarming number of posts on this thread make the desire to be a mother seem borderline sociopathic.

I couldn’t agree more. We would have liked children and went as far as we could to have our own child but it wasn’t possible. Issues on both sides as I said upthread. But as pps have said we married because we wanted to stay together forever and having children was secondary to that. I can’t believe the cold blooded ruthlessness of some of the comments on this thread, accusing OP’s partner, faced with a devastating diagnosis of not really wanting children, of having had a secret vasectomy, of being a selfish prick. Unbelievable.

Reddahlias · 22/02/2023 10:06

To put another perspective on this - I was married for 10 years, we had a son together. I don't have a husband anymore but I still have my son. I can find another DP (if I'll ever fancy that! ) in my 40s,50s,60s,70s - as long as the living daylights last! No clock, no rush, no hurt, no pressure.

I'm surprised that you value 'having a son' more than having a happy lifelong marriage with a person you love.

Your son will grow up. I'm not sure how easy it will be for him or for you, finding 'another' partner.

Mirabai · 22/02/2023 10:27

I don’t think it’s rocket science some women are more focused on having kids than finding the “right” man (whatever that may mean), and some are more focused on finding the “right” relationship and they’re not so bothered about kids.

HistoryFanatic · 22/02/2023 10:39

AnnoyedinJanuary · 20/02/2023 22:19

Just wanted to say that your post made me incredibly sad and I feel so much for you...... because my husband and I were also in your position - i.e. male fertility and as his sperm weren't swimmers we were told we also needed ICSI. But know that ISCI is nothing more than him jerking off in to a cup in the same way he would for IVF. The Scientists do all the rest. There is no operation - it's you who has to do all the hard work of drugs and tests. When you first find out about infertility it's like being hit with a train full on - it forces you to reevaluate your life in ways that you may have never thought about and puts so much pressure on you as a couple - I always felt the mental strains were much worse than the physical side of the treatment... so allow time for it all to sink in...... my husband was all for going for treatment and yes it didn't work first or second time but we now have healthy twin girls....... explore his reasons for not wanting to try - does he want kids? That's the bigger question..... I have lots of friends who don't want kids - often it's one person who doesn't want them and the other isn't too bothered - which is not your case....... but don't give up ...... ICSI is nothing for a guy - just a magazine and a cup - so don't let that put him off.....

My husband did his job in a cup as we had ICSI and it worked because he had sperm but OP's partner has NONE. It won't work that way. Read the posts.

backoftheplane · 22/02/2023 10:48

thank you to everyone who took the time to reply to this- it’s something I can’t really talk about with anyone ‘in real life’ so it has been helpful to get lots of different perspectives. I’m going to take a break from MN now so won’t be replying. I’ve let my partner know that I’m not going to bring it up for two months to give him time to think about things in his own time and then we do need to have an open conversation about what we both want. I am going to try to shift my focus as well. I’ve realised my OP was worded badly because of the hurt I’m currently feeling. I don’t want to leave my partner, but it is an issue if he won’t talk to me or gets angry at me when I try to talk about things that affect our shared future. I really hope that things work out with us, regardless of whether we continue to ttc. Thank you again to the posters who took the time to read all my posts, understand the situation with empathy (from both mine and DP’s perspectives), and give thoughtful advice.

OP posts:
KimberleyClark · 22/02/2023 10:54

My best wishes OP I hope things work out for you.

QueenCamilla · 22/02/2023 11:12

Reddahlias · 22/02/2023 10:06

To put another perspective on this - I was married for 10 years, we had a son together. I don't have a husband anymore but I still have my son. I can find another DP (if I'll ever fancy that! ) in my 40s,50s,60s,70s - as long as the living daylights last! No clock, no rush, no hurt, no pressure.

I'm surprised that you value 'having a son' more than having a happy lifelong marriage with a person you love.

Your son will grow up. I'm not sure how easy it will be for him or for you, finding 'another' partner.

I just can't see how "he will grow up" is a reasonable part of the argument.

Why have a good career? One day you'll retire.
Why get a dog? He'll die. Why get another one? He'll die too.
Why plant spring flowers? They'll be gone by autumn.
Why marry / be partnered? One day he'll cheat, gamble, become abusive, find someone else, get grumpy & boring, die...

Fuck that! I'd choose the spring flowers from that list! 😁

Even though not a given, any woman is much more likely to have a life-long loving relationship with her children than with a partner (rare as hen's teeth, that is! ).

QueenCamilla · 22/02/2023 11:18

And I'm saying the above as a "one and done" mother.
I'm also a "one and done" with a husband.

I just have this peace and calm within myself having gone through life and discovered what's good for me.
I'd have no peace at all without having had a child!! Doesn't mean I'm enjoying motherhood.

Whiskeypowers · 22/02/2023 11:33

Reddahlias · 22/02/2023 10:06

To put another perspective on this - I was married for 10 years, we had a son together. I don't have a husband anymore but I still have my son. I can find another DP (if I'll ever fancy that! ) in my 40s,50s,60s,70s - as long as the living daylights last! No clock, no rush, no hurt, no pressure.

I'm surprised that you value 'having a son' more than having a happy lifelong marriage with a person you love.

Your son will grow up. I'm not sure how easy it will be for him or for you, finding 'another' partner.

For the vast majority of women being a mother is more important to them than anyone or anything else

Even before I had children I saw and understood that. It is not incomprehensible to most intelligent functioning child free or childless women.

Whiskeypowers · 22/02/2023 11:34

@backoftheplane
I truly wish you the best of luck and hope you navigate your way through this. Life is not easy and this certainly isn’t.

jjx111 · 24/02/2023 02:50

My husband had a similar problem - approx 300 live sperm instead of the standard 200 million per ejaculation (I know - it blew my mind). I think its a very hard blow to a mans ego/pride, and this may be why he is reluctant to talk about it/explore options. We went down the IVF route, with ICSI at age 41/42 respectively. I then had a miscarriage at 9 weeks, but we tried again a year later, and were blessed with our daughter when I was a month shy of my 43rd birthday.

MommaGamer10 · 24/02/2023 05:24

You are not being unreasonable if you truly do desire to have your own child, but have you looked into perhaps some yoga positions that your partner could do every day that I have heard helps a little with the blood flow down there to help encourage fertility in low-fertility/infertile people? And look into having him on a healthier diet, if it is the fact of surgery that is causing him pause about the situation? I think you could also ask a doctor about potential pills that may help as well on top of that.

Fromwetome · 25/02/2023 23:14

"In sickness and in health" means nothing these days. Make sure you are truly honest with your next sperm donor when he asks why you left your previous partner "he couldn't get me pregnant" such a healthy start to any relationship. If the tables were turned a man would be vilified and quite rightly so for leaving. But I'm all for feminism so go for it..

Particularprick · 25/02/2023 23:35

Fromwetome · 25/02/2023 23:14

"In sickness and in health" means nothing these days. Make sure you are truly honest with your next sperm donor when he asks why you left your previous partner "he couldn't get me pregnant" such a healthy start to any relationship. If the tables were turned a man would be vilified and quite rightly so for leaving. But I'm all for feminism so go for it..

Can you read?

Golaz · 26/02/2023 11:07

Fromwetome · 25/02/2023 23:14

"In sickness and in health" means nothing these days. Make sure you are truly honest with your next sperm donor when he asks why you left your previous partner "he couldn't get me pregnant" such a healthy start to any relationship. If the tables were turned a man would be vilified and quite rightly so for leaving. But I'm all for feminism so go for it..

They aren’t married 🙄. And it’s not that he can’t get her pregnant; it’s that he’s putting his own needs first and failing to consider hers,
when he shuts down and refusing to even engage in a conversation about having a simple scan.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 26/02/2023 18:38

Well, when you get down to it, she's only considering her needs. So they are even.

I think it would be awful to bring a new human being (because it's more than 'a baby') into this dysfunctional situation. Very wrong.

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