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That rugby player…in a scrum with a woman down an alleyway… wtf!

881 replies

GoingOnce · 15/02/2023 19:53

AIBU to be shocked someone would want to do this/have it done to them? I mean, the main offense is that he’s cheated on his poor wife, but also - is this a thing??? 🤢

OP posts:
user1465390476 · 16/02/2023 08:05

on the ‘can have a go’ comment, if the woman hadn’t realised the men had switched, a sexual assault would have occurred. She’s consented to the first man, not the second.

Imnoonesfool · 16/02/2023 08:06

TheNoonBell · 16/02/2023 06:27

@BatshitBanshee You are really living up to your moniker.

  • Humour is subjective
  • All parties appeared to be consenting

I’m not sure asking a man engaging in a sex act if he can have a go on the female (in this case) is gaining her consent ?

OhhhhhhhhBiscuits · 16/02/2023 08:09

Fuckitydoodah · 16/02/2023 07:53

Whilst what they've done is unforgivable, I actually think the person who took the video and leaked it is worse. They've ruined people's lives.

Their children have been sent the video and will probably face taunting and bullying at school.

Joe and this woman have both lost their jobs.

Their partners have been shoved into the glare of the media.

They were drunken and disgusting idiots, but do they or their families deserve any of this?

He hasn't lost his job. He was fined and benched for the first game of the season. As typical he will be OK, and it's the women around him that will be hung, drawn and quartered and go through hell.

BatshitBanshee · 16/02/2023 08:10

Arrrrrrragghhh · 16/02/2023 08:01

But we don’t know who leaked it. The video was sent to Joes wife first. We don’t know what she did with it, we don’t know what the videographer did with it or what his intention was. Maybe he just wanted evidence Joe or the woman were cheats . Maybe not.
The fact that it’s all over the place is just what happens when things go viral. The technology hasn’t caught up with the problem.

Sending it to a third party is still distribution.

Sending it was hardly going to cause happiness was it? It was always going to cause distress to all parties involved.

Letterbox22 · 16/02/2023 08:10

I really don't think they deserve this backlash even though what they did was wrong. I really worry about my son growing up in a society where it's totally acceptable to film and publish these acts, and totally acceptable for us to watch. I haven't seen the film but how do we know the woman consented to the act itself? She will have her life completely ruined by something she may not have agreed to do. The mob culture and misogyny is awful.

HarlanPepper · 16/02/2023 08:10

Arrrrrrragghhh · 16/02/2023 08:01

But we don’t know who leaked it. The video was sent to Joes wife first. We don’t know what she did with it, we don’t know what the videographer did with it or what his intention was. Maybe he just wanted evidence Joe or the woman were cheats . Maybe not.
The fact that it’s all over the place is just what happens when things go viral. The technology hasn’t caught up with the problem.

It wasn't sent to her. She first saw it on Twitter, like everyone else. There was an interview with her yesterday.

squtable · 16/02/2023 08:10

How come this is even news?

Really?

squtable · 16/02/2023 08:13

But I can't understand the filmer's motivation or why this would appear on SM.

perhaps they were drunk too

user1465390476 · 16/02/2023 08:13

@Letterbox22 i’ve had the misfortune to see the video. I saw it before I even realised what I was watching. Without being too graphic there’s no way she isn’t consenting to what was going on.

MrWhippersnapper · 16/02/2023 08:14

Letterbox22 · 16/02/2023 08:10

I really don't think they deserve this backlash even though what they did was wrong. I really worry about my son growing up in a society where it's totally acceptable to film and publish these acts, and totally acceptable for us to watch. I haven't seen the film but how do we know the woman consented to the act itself? She will have her life completely ruined by something she may not have agreed to do. The mob culture and misogyny is awful.

It’s pretty obvious she’s consenting

TimeForMeToF1y · 16/02/2023 08:14

Moonmelodies · 16/02/2023 07:55

How come his penus is so small?

As a result of biology in the same way as everyone's body . Do you not understand how humans work?

TimeForMeToF1y · 16/02/2023 08:16

MrWhippersnapper · 16/02/2023 08:14

It’s pretty obvious she’s consenting

Perhaps you can answer as no one else is, how is it obvious?

ShirleyPhallus · 16/02/2023 08:17

The whole thing is seedy and gross but the comments on here really are peak MN. “I’ll never think of sex the same way again!” Oh come on

MrWhippersnapper · 16/02/2023 08:17

TimeForMeToF1y · 16/02/2023 08:16

Perhaps you can answer as no one else is, how is it obvious?

Unless she’s picking up loose change with her bare arse in the air, then she’s consenting

704703hey · 16/02/2023 08:18

squtable · 16/02/2023 08:13

But I can't understand the filmer's motivation or why this would appear on SM.

perhaps they were drunk too

Ah - well that's a recipe for disaster!

Arrrrrrragghhh · 16/02/2023 08:18

BatshitBanshee · 16/02/2023 08:10

Sending it to a third party is still distribution.

Sending it was hardly going to cause happiness was it? It was always going to cause distress to all parties involved.

I’d want to see the video of my husband if he did that frankly. Even if it’s illegal for someone to show it to me.

Fuctifin0 · 16/02/2023 08:18

@user1465390476 how on earth do you come to the conclusion she is not consenting?

The position she is in appears to be a voluntary position, she isn't being held, she is definitely there on her own volition.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 16/02/2023 08:19

Apparently the woman in question has lost her job as a result of this video. I have little sympathy for either of them - all my sympathy is reserved for the families dealing with the fall out of this, especially the children who will have to endure the consequences at school and on social media - but I’m disappointingly unsurprised to see that the woman in question loses her job while the man in question hasn’t, thus far.

user1465390476 · 16/02/2023 08:19

@MrWhippersnapper 😂

sammylady37 · 16/02/2023 08:19

Given the fame of one of those filmed it could be argued that it was in the public interest to upload it

Ffs, no it couldn’t. At least, not successfully. There’s a vast difference between ‘what’s in the public interest’ and ‘what (some of) the public are interested in’. There is no ‘public interest’ angle here. There is however, prurience, schadenfraude and a desire for salacious details whilst professing moral outrage.

HarlanPepper · 16/02/2023 08:19

MrWhippersnapper · 16/02/2023 08:14

It’s pretty obvious she’s consenting

If she was drunk then she wasn't consenting. And even if she was, she consented to a sex act with one person, not to having the act filmed and broadcast over global social media. If you watch this video you are complicit in sexual assault.

Fuctifin0 · 16/02/2023 08:20

@user1465390476 misread sorry 🫢

HarlanPepper · 16/02/2023 08:21

Some people here really need to brush up on their knowledge of sexual offences law. Some truly Victorian attitudes coming out of the woodwork on this thread.

TimeForMeToF1y · 16/02/2023 08:21

MrWhippersnapper · 16/02/2023 08:17

Unless she’s picking up loose change with her bare arse in the air, then she’s consenting

You know nothing of what led up to the video, he's a hugely strong rugby player, can you not conceive that she might have been physically threatened into that position, scared not to go along with it?

MrWhippersnapper · 16/02/2023 08:21

Oh fuck off with the sexual assault shit, it’s two consenting grubby twats getting caught down an alley way

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