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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
CurlyhairedAssassin · 15/02/2023 16:30

I don't really know what he's moaning for. He isn't doing any share of the ferrying of the kids to their sport when he could do, you're doing all the running round. He has a good deal! 3 times a week of sport does seem a lot to me but then if it's a sport which they are good at, it's a serious hobby and 3 times a week is just what is required then so be it. But you BOTH should be helping to make that happen. I don't see why, if he wants this bad enough, once a week he can't leave work, come home for 5.30 and eat the tea that you have cooked then take the kids out at 6pm to their sport. He could do a supermarket shop while he's at it. I mean, you're already getting up earlier than him to do household chores, he needs to pull his weight more.

My DH regularly worked very very long hours, or was away altogether, when mine were little. I'm sure he would have liked to come home to a cooked meal every night he was able to be at home at a reasonable hour but on the nights when the kids were doing activities he'd know that they'd need to eat early before they went and that we often dashed off. I wouldn't have had time to make something fancy so on those days he'd often get a ready meal for himself when he got home or cook something quick. He'd clean up after us while we were out, tidy around and just be grateful for me being there to take the kids to their activity. If he'd moaned about that I would have been extremely unhappy because so many other times on non-activities days where I was the one doing everything and all he had to do was come home and eat his meal which was being kept warm in the oven.

Sadlifter · 15/02/2023 16:31

Sorry haven't read whole thread. We used to have similar and used to leave a plate of food for dh to heat up when he got in.

rookiemere · 15/02/2023 16:31

Do you put on a jolly lipstick and hide the pinny when he comes in OP?

You work ft same hours as he does. He seems to have forgotten that.
If you want to entertain his nonsense, you could suggest he changes to 8-4 a couple of days himself and he can do the DCs meals and ferry them to the sports activities.

Or maybe you all just eat microwave ready meals so the kitchen isn't dirty for poor diddums when he gets in.

Or suggest you give up your job or reduce hours ( don't actually do this) so you have time to perform the housewife and parent chores that he seems to think belongs solely to you.

Honestly some people don't know when they are born.

Crostimosti · 15/02/2023 16:33

I'm not jumping on the 'your husband is rubbish' bandwagon.

I get it from both sides. I'd have a chat and see where you can make it easier for you and also make the routine more amenable for him and family life.

I don't know a practical solution as requested, to your arrangements other than, if he works late could he start work earlier on some days and be home in time to see you all before the evening rush starts? Or take the girls himself sometimes?

CurlyhairedAssassin · 15/02/2023 16:35

oh, and all the jobs you list that he does are not daily ones, are they? Mowing the grass doesn't need doing daily. Cleaning the windows is only done once in a while. Car, bike and house maintenance are not usually part of "the daily grind". They're occasional jobs, not routine ones. He has a really really good deal and should be helping you out more, not moaning that the house is empty 3 nights a week.

Definitelyrandom · 15/02/2023 16:36

Share taking the DCs to training and whoever doesn't go makes dinner for everyone when they get back at 9. We used to do this (and eat much later) when one of our DCs was doing significant amounts of evening training.

AcrossthePond55 · 15/02/2023 16:37

What's his definition of 'dirty'? A few dishes in the sink and book bags on the sofa? I'd hate to have to come home to cook with the kitchen in a mess and the house looking like a real tip. But a few dishes in the sink or some mess left from getting home and being on the run to get to sport? He's being petty and pouting that you aren't waiting for him with a cocktail and a pair of slippers (figuratively speaking).

I have Coeliac so I get having to do a little extra for GF. It can take extra time for us to make a 'regular' meal in to a GF meal. But if that's too much for him then let him bring home a takeaway for himself or nuke a potato and put whatever you fixed that's GF on top of it rather than cook pasta/rice or a meal from scratch. He could do it if he wanted to.

I live in an old house too. We don't even have central heating, we use a pellet stove. I really, really hate to come home to a cold house so I do sympathize with him there. If you leave round 5 is there any way to leave the heat on at a low temperature, just to keep the chill off?

Otherwise, he's being a big baby and needs to get over himself.

Phineyj · 15/02/2023 16:37

I think the interesting thing about your post is that you feel you have to write out a massive justification of the fact you're basically an unpaid chef and chauffeur and work flexibly round your kids.

Why the need to justify?

Surely if he's lingering an unnecessary hour at work each day, it's precisely to avoid ferrying DDs about and hanging round at their clubs?

Count your blessings, DH! And get one of those Nest things. And flex your working hours like your wife has for a decade or more?

I am DH in your scenario one night a week and I say wahey! And try and fit in a cuppa and a nap.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 15/02/2023 16:37

Why is he home an hour late every night?

Can he not make his own dinner?

Can he not make supper for you and the kids to have after their activities?

It does sound as if you are very busy as a family. But that he is very slack.

Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days

A bit gross, but he or you or the kids can't wash them up?

GoChasingWaterfalls · 15/02/2023 16:40

What are his solutions? Has he come up with any? Because this is his issue. I totally get that it's a bit sad for him, but if he wants to make changes then he needs to come up with practical solutions that don't involve you making 100% of the effort / sacrifice.

ProfessionalWeirdo · 15/02/2023 16:41

DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I haven't RTFT so apologies if this has already been mentioned, but my first thought was: What does he do during those missing 50 minutes?

nutbrownhare15 · 15/02/2023 16:42

If he has a problem with the house being cold surely he can set the heating so it isn't cold when he gets home. If he wants to eat with you it is perfectly within his capability to be back for 5.15pm. Your home life is significantly imbalanced. He does very occasional jobs which he has a significant amount of control over. You do all the daily grind and are somehow also in charge of all weekly ferrying trips. If he wants to spend more time with family, he could come with you on one trip and ferry the kids on his own for another. If you do all the cooking his job should be to do the washing up. How dare he complain about it not being done when by the sounds of it he never does it. I think the book Fair Play would be worth a read OP. He sounds significantly entitled and you seem to think your current set up is about fair.

nutbrownhare15 · 15/02/2023 16:43

I would also think about what the current division of tasks tells your daughters about how they should be divided on gender lines and what this could mean for their own wellbeing and aspirations in the future. It's a significant factor in explaining gender inequality.

Ourlittleharmonica · 15/02/2023 16:44

If you get up early to do chores couldn't he do the same? It seems like he feels a bit left out, if I'm honest, and that's why he's making a big deal out of little things. It's hateful to come home to an empty house knowing your family are off doing stuff together without you. Does he ever take over their activities? Could one of you batch cook and have some freezer meals on hand so no washing up to do? Do you do anything together in the evenings after sports or at weekends? He sounds lonely and you sound run ragged.

G5000 · 15/02/2023 16:44

What does he do during those missing 50 minutes?

Dicking around so the wife has to cook dinner and do the driving. Otherwise he might be expected to do his part.

Dacadactyl · 15/02/2023 16:46

What has he said he would like to happen? What is his alternative viewpoint as to how the evening should be arranged?

Basically, how does he want the evening to look like timings wise/eating wise/activity wise?

Keha · 15/02/2023 16:50

I'd ask him what his solution is. It's not hugely attractive for him to moan about it but also sounds like you and DC have this nice little set up which he is a bit on the outside of. I don't think you need to resolve but if he wants to do something like finish earlier one day and take the kids instead I think you should support that.

Botw1 · 15/02/2023 16:50

'It's hateful to come home to an empty house knowing your family are off doing stuff together without you.'

Oh for gods sake

They aren't off doing stuff without him. The kids are at a club and she is exercising

Even if they were doing stuff without him it's hateful.

🙄

BlueSeaWave · 15/02/2023 16:50

He’s a dinosaur from the 50’s. He can get home for 5:10 if he’s bothered about missing out on family life, which he isn’t he just wants WiFie and kids at the door. Like fuck the washing up is stopping him making his own food!

BlueSeaWave · 15/02/2023 16:53

Ourlittleharmonica · 15/02/2023 16:44

If you get up early to do chores couldn't he do the same? It seems like he feels a bit left out, if I'm honest, and that's why he's making a big deal out of little things. It's hateful to come home to an empty house knowing your family are off doing stuff together without you. Does he ever take over their activities? Could one of you batch cook and have some freezer meals on hand so no washing up to do? Do you do anything together in the evenings after sports or at weekends? He sounds lonely and you sound run ragged.

I think youre a fan of the transformed wife on Facebook.
hatefil that he cant be asked to get him one time to eat dinner with his family and take some responsibility in ferrying his own children around in the evenings?

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 15/02/2023 16:54

Sorry I haven't had time to read the whole thread but just wanted to say

he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold,
no-one is home
and the washing-up is not done
so he can't make his tea."

Boo Double Hoo

Don't you come home to the same house? What's he going to do about that?
Tell him to buy a dishwasher and use it. Sorry but that kind of whinging makes me really cross.
Wife must ensure house is clean and warm
Wife must be at home to greet him on his arrival.
Wife must make sure that his eyes are not sullied by the sight of washing up
So he can make his tea because it is impossible to wash up before making tea, no one can be expected do that! (except you.)

minipie · 15/02/2023 16:57

DH home by 5.15

You all eat together

You take turns ferrying the girls. If that’s too lonely for DH maybe you could both go and do the supermarket runs together?? It’s not romantic but it is time together.

How long will this 3x a week training last? It does sound a pain tbh. Could any of the sessions move to a weekend?

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 16:58

Ourlittleharmonica · 15/02/2023 16:44

If you get up early to do chores couldn't he do the same? It seems like he feels a bit left out, if I'm honest, and that's why he's making a big deal out of little things. It's hateful to come home to an empty house knowing your family are off doing stuff together without you. Does he ever take over their activities? Could one of you batch cook and have some freezer meals on hand so no washing up to do? Do you do anything together in the evenings after sports or at weekends? He sounds lonely and you sound run ragged.

They’re not doing stuff together without him. The children are at a hobby (like children do) and the OP is filling the time by shopping at exercising. If he wants to join in with that then I’m sure he’d be more than welcome to come home earlier, feed the kids himself and do the drop offs and supermarket shops. Hardly like the OP and the kids are spending every evening at the spa getting their nails done or something 🤣

Blessedwithsunshine · 15/02/2023 16:58

Your dh needs to step up more more
but honestly your routine sounds relentless, exhausting and miserable.

FuelledbyCaffeine12 · 15/02/2023 16:59

Lots of opportunity for compromise. Assuming he is willing to change some of his own behaviours…

DP can make more effort to be home on time, even if just once a week. You could once a week drop the dcs and come home and then he could go pick them up at 9… you may even be able to squeeze in a quick run.

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