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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
Hawkins003 · 15/02/2023 17:06

I guess as its not the 50's etc what if your dh did the shopping and drop offs ect

Sadlifter · 15/02/2023 17:12

I think if the house was getting messy and washing up left on the side for a few days, I'd take the dds, wait for dh to arrive at their sport then go home and spend a bit of time tidying then watching Netflix in peace until they get home.

Ourlittleharmonica · 15/02/2023 17:13

BlueSeaWave · 15/02/2023 16:53

I think youre a fan of the transformed wife on Facebook.
hatefil that he cant be asked to get him one time to eat dinner with his family and take some responsibility in ferrying his own children around in the evenings?

I'm not on Facebook and I have no idea who the transformed wife is. I just don't jump right to "LTB".

I said it's hateful to come home to an empty house knowing everyone else is off doing stuff. Which is why I suggested that he might like to get up earlier and prep his food so that's done. I also asked if they EVER do stuff together.

I have friends with DC in sports and they are constantly ferrying kids to different training and matches, their entire social lives are planned around it. That's hard to live with if you're not involved so clearly he either needs to get involved or they have a proper talk and find out what's actually the problem because I doubt it's about the gluten free noodles.

Also dying to know what he does between finishing work and coming home

Beachhutnut · 15/02/2023 17:14

Can he come home earlier some days then do the activity run with the kids ( and you maybe work later those days) and then work later to make up the hours on other days. Maybe have 2 days where he is on, one day you try and all eat together and two days where you're it but he can do some cooking etc? Also regular date nights.

Hearmeout · 15/02/2023 17:16

Again, even if you downed tools on the dot at 5pm you would not be home for 5.10 unless your car was parked at your desk and there was not a single other car or bike on the road, or traffic light, or pedestrian crossing etc etc.

saoirse31 · 15/02/2023 17:17

Why doesn't he have quick dinner and go to watch kids training and drive them home?

Hankunamatata · 15/02/2023 17:23

If he wants to be more part of things he needs to be home earlier and take dd to their sports at least one night a week.

Darhon · 15/02/2023 17:24

I had a kid who did a lot of sport. DP had to make teas on those nights as I would come home and immediately go out. He needs to get home earlier as it would seem he could eat with you and even do some of the sports runs.

What he wants is to come home to everything tidy, tea cooked and not to have to take the kids anywhere. I’m sure you’d love that too! You need to divide the labour more. Though I’d go for easier breakfasts, one supermarket visit a week and emptying the dishwasher in the morning so tea stuff goes in at night and is put in then. Always found that the most efficient way.

Hankunamatata · 15/02/2023 17:25

Surely the heating can be on a timer and he cam make his own food. What is to stop him washing up and loading dishwasher that's what mine does when he comes in as I'm dashing out the door to drop dc to activities or he then takes them and I tidy up

GrinAndVomit · 15/02/2023 17:26

If this was me and my husband, I’d expect him to be making changes to improve the situation. I wouldn’t let him make this my responsibility.
He has plenty of options.
He could come home when he actually finishes work and eat with you all.
He could come home before six and come with you to do the food shop and enjoy a coffee together in the supermarket cafe.
He could come home before six and take them to their sport commitments once a week so you get a break from it.

It seems to me that he wants you all to facilitate him doing everything to suit him better.

GrinAndVomit · 15/02/2023 17:27

Hearmeout · 15/02/2023 17:16

Again, even if you downed tools on the dot at 5pm you would not be home for 5.10 unless your car was parked at your desk and there was not a single other car or bike on the road, or traffic light, or pedestrian crossing etc etc.

Where I live, a ten minute drive is a ten minute drive.

LookItsMeAgain · 15/02/2023 17:29

This is my take on the situation.

  1. He works 10 minutes away from the house so he should be able to get home by 5:20pm at the latest on most evenings.
  2. You're trying to find a solution that works for him - HE should be doing that. What solutions has he come up with to sort out his issue???
  3. He lives in the house, so if he thinks he's coming home to a dirty house, he can help to clean it, just as the kids should be helping to clean up after themselves and you clean up after yourself.
  4. Leaving cooking implements beside the sink for a few days/weeks is grim and they should be washed within 24 hours of their usage. Why are they being left beside the sink for days on end? Why aren't they washed within 24 hours of being used?
  5. Again, why is this your issue to resolve? If he wants to eat together, he makes the effort to get home in time to eat before the kids go to their evening activities.
That's my take on the situation.
Isithotinhere · 15/02/2023 17:31

He should take the kids to their activity at least once a week, and on the other days, he should do some daily chores so the house is nice for you to come home to.

Pinkbananas01 · 15/02/2023 17:31

Solution is in DH own hands - those nights he needs to leave work at 5pm & come straight home, you eat at 5.10 together & then head out to DD activities.
Why is he not home till 6pm if he only works 10mins away? He can then help with tidying up/housework as well although suspect this is what hes avoiding

Snowpatrolling · 15/02/2023 17:32

If he wants to eat tea with you he needs to come straight home from work then doesn’t he!

lanthanum · 15/02/2023 17:35

Is there any flexibility in DH's work times? Could he make it home for 5pm on two of those nights, then make up that lost time by staying later on the third? Or go back for a bit in the evening when you go out to the sport? (My DH worked round the corner when DD was small - he came home for dinner at a time that worked for her, then went back afterwards.)

It's great that you've managed to dovetail the shopping and exercise into the sports evenings. How would you feel, if he were able to get home earlier, if he came along too sometimes, so you can grab a bit of "couple" time? Perhaps cut down to one shop to facilitate that. You could maybe just feed the kids that evening, and then you and he can eat out. If it's tight for him to get home for 6, can you pick him up from work on the way out?

GrinAndVomit · 15/02/2023 17:37

LookItsMeAgain · 15/02/2023 17:29

This is my take on the situation.

  1. He works 10 minutes away from the house so he should be able to get home by 5:20pm at the latest on most evenings.
  2. You're trying to find a solution that works for him - HE should be doing that. What solutions has he come up with to sort out his issue???
  3. He lives in the house, so if he thinks he's coming home to a dirty house, he can help to clean it, just as the kids should be helping to clean up after themselves and you clean up after yourself.
  4. Leaving cooking implements beside the sink for a few days/weeks is grim and they should be washed within 24 hours of their usage. Why are they being left beside the sink for days on end? Why aren't they washed within 24 hours of being used?
  5. Again, why is this your issue to resolve? If he wants to eat together, he makes the effort to get home in time to eat before the kids go to their evening activities.
That's my take on the situation.

He lives in the house, so if he thinks he's coming home to a dirty house, he can help to clean it, just as the kids should be helping to clean up after themselves and you clean up after yourself.

I agree with absolutely everything you’ve written but I thought this part was a bit misunderstood. I thought the pots were left by OP and DD because they have to rush out after eating. It’s possibly it’s me who has misunderstood though.

lanthanum · 15/02/2023 17:38

On the chore balance side, if he could get home in time to take the kids to sport once a week and do the shopping, that might tip the balance a bit more in his direction, and you'd have a bit of time in the house so those chores are all done before they get back.

Onnabugeisha · 15/02/2023 17:42

DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea."

I think his complaints are 100% valid. You are leaving at 6pm, he gets home shortly after 6pm so why is the house cold? Leave the heat on and a few lights on so it is welcoming. Ten/fifteen minutes isn’t going to break the bank.

You do not have time to wash your dirty dishes before leaving, but what about the DC taking turns to wash up before you leave? It literally takes 5mins if you are washing pots/pans as you go when you’re cooking.

I also think you are kind of prioritising things like the food shop over a couple of hours with him while the DCs are at sports. You both have a “me time” evening where you exercise alone, that is good. But, I think out of 3 evenings, at least one could be with him doing something together so you’d go back home after dropping them off. As it is he must feel like it’s DCs#1, Your friend #2, food shop #3 and he is…?

Try doing the food shop online and having 1 evening a week hanging with him while the DCs are doing sports.

Forgooodnesssakenow · 15/02/2023 17:42

God that's a lot of scheduling.

He could get up earlier too and do more household chores, even pre prep some dinner for himself, dinner problem solved. He could have taken the hot to part time hours and been more hands on when they were small?

Why does the whole family need to change their routine rather than h change his?

IslandLife88 · 15/02/2023 17:43

Can I have his life please? He has a lovely family and a wife who does everything. He gets to come home as he pleases, doesn't have to worry about ferrying kids around, shopping or being home for a certain time, and he has a few hours to himself a few days a week, every week.

Let him come up with a solution if he truly wants to start parenting. Otherwise, leave the pathetic manchild to his own devices.

GrinAndVomit · 15/02/2023 17:44

OP, do you expect to always walk into a clean, tidy, warm house with your dinner sitting on the side ready for you to heat up?
If not, why not?
You work full time too

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 17:45

Onnabugeisha · 15/02/2023 17:42

DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea."

I think his complaints are 100% valid. You are leaving at 6pm, he gets home shortly after 6pm so why is the house cold? Leave the heat on and a few lights on so it is welcoming. Ten/fifteen minutes isn’t going to break the bank.

You do not have time to wash your dirty dishes before leaving, but what about the DC taking turns to wash up before you leave? It literally takes 5mins if you are washing pots/pans as you go when you’re cooking.

I also think you are kind of prioritising things like the food shop over a couple of hours with him while the DCs are at sports. You both have a “me time” evening where you exercise alone, that is good. But, I think out of 3 evenings, at least one could be with him doing something together so you’d go back home after dropping them off. As it is he must feel like it’s DCs#1, Your friend #2, food shop #3 and he is…?

Try doing the food shop online and having 1 evening a week hanging with him while the DCs are doing sports.

Or her DH could do the food shop on one of the many nights he has free while OP is ferrying the kids around?

Chasedbythechaser · 15/02/2023 17:47

Could he come home a day or two a week by 5.15pm to eat with you?

A big part of the 'issue' is that as the children get older, their sports/hobbies increase from two to three times a week and are on at later times, to accommodate earlier finishing times for the younger groups.

Some of my kid's activities now finish at 9pm which is too late imo but it seems to suit the majority of kids their age and their coaches.

ChodeOfChodeBall · 15/02/2023 17:51

I'm not so sure it's as straightforward as 'he's an arse'.

It sounds a bit as if the OP is seeing herself and her daughters as the family, with their father being extraneous (useful merely for lawn mowing, car washing, house maintenance). Father feels left out, and therefore makes his point by leaving himself out even more.

This is where affairs start.

If the girls' father really wants family time, he needs to come home from work earlier to have an early dinner with the three of them. He could also, as pp have said, take the girls to their activities on certain nights.

However, the OP would have to be willing to let go of the reins a bit. Although she's clearly doing an awful lot, she could be choosing to do less. I did so much with and for my DC that I started to find my husband irrelevant and useless - because I was the only one who could time-keep and organise everyone properly (in my head, anyway).

FWIW, I suspect a lot of you don't live in big old, cold houses. There's no way they heat up. I've given up with the heating altogether because it makes fuck all difference.