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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
Itspoonotpoop · 15/02/2023 15:28

Sometimes Mental Health can manifest through loneliness and isolation.

Mine does.

I think her DH is trying to explain this but not getting the message across. Everyone is so different. I used to be such an independent person and could spend weeks on my own. But after depression set in - I can no longer stand it. 😳

Took years for me to admit it though

HikingforScenery · 15/02/2023 15:28

Why are you shopping two times a week? Is ok e not enough? If not surely you’re not spending that long there anyway. I agree with you dropping off and DH picking up, that’s what we do. It’s nice to have time to chat to them to or from their activity.
I wouldn’t like your set up at all. At least I would plan spending time together one of those evenings with DH.

deveronvalley · 15/02/2023 15:29

I think you sound really well-organised and energetic, you've got it all under control. I think your husband feels like a spare part. Give him some jobs to do. I also have a kid that does a lot of sports and everything is run with military precision so I get how you end up like this. My husband claims to have no idea what's going on (he could look at the calendar) and rather sadly once said he felt pushed out of his own family. Now I actively have to think "actually, DH could do that" and it's worked out well. I also noticed that driving my son to and from everything myself meant that he would tell me all the news and then not tell his Dad anything, ever! Those times in the car are often bonding moments when your kid tells you how things went and my DH really was never getting any of that. So there's me and DS, thick as thieves and DH feeling even more left out. I don't think this is about meals and washing up :)

GoldenCupidon · 15/02/2023 15:29

I'm a bit confused by this "Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week)" - are you out of the house three nights a week or five?

He just sounds lonely and a bit moany, do you think he's trying to say something else, like he misses you? Do you think he's worried you'd rather do other stuff than spend time just the two of you?

Obviously if that's the case he's being very stupid and clumsy about expressing it!

JennyDarlingRIP · 15/02/2023 15:33

It's not ideal, but I see no reason someone who finishes work at five and lives ten minutes away isn't home long before six, you could then eat together. Take turns in taking DC to clubs and doing your own exercise or going together. I also don't think it's necessary to food shop twice a week for a family of 4 when your schedule is so busy.

ChickenDhansak82 · 15/02/2023 15:34

Your husband is being an idiot man-child and should be pulling his weight far more.

  1. He could make more of an effort to get home from work on time.
  2. you are already making him tea and leaving a portion for him so no issue.
  3. he could go out and join you wherever you all are.

Our household is the same - I often feed me and the kids at 5pm as they/we have activities some evenings and it would be too late to eat when we got home. That's life. There is no law you all have to eat together 7 nights a week.

JennyDarlingRIP · 15/02/2023 15:35

One of those food shop slots could become an OP and DH go for coffee slot (in addition to him getting back earlier and sharing the load)

olympicsrock · 15/02/2023 15:35

OP sounds like you are doing a great job. Perhaps if he took the kids to their sports you would have time to do the washing up. Or if he got up an hour earlier with you, he could prepare a meal.

Or maybe he would just like to be grateful for some chill time to himself at home!

TaRaDeBumDeAy · 15/02/2023 15:36

I'd tell him to be home by 5.15pm so he can eat with you all and sometimes take the kids to their hobbies.

What else does he expect to happen?

cosmiccosmos · 15/02/2023 15:37

The fact is that you have adapted your life around the family, going part time when needed (and no doubt taken salary hit).

Your ability to adapt now means that you are taking advantage of some of the freedom you are getting back now DC are teenagers, doing longer sports sessions and starting to take care is themselves (eg packed lunches).

Meanwhile your DH has adapted/grown BBC at all. He hasn't tried to. He's a typical bloke, expects to be centre of attention, doesnt like it now no-one is home to 'greet' him and ask him how his day was. Nevermind that you continue to do all the wife work not the once a week lawn mowing, once a year window fixing. Oh and to top it all you are bye making the most of the time DC are at their sport and have the audacity to do your own sport. But what about DH! Oh dear, sat at home, washing up in the sink, cold snd lonely 😔.

He needs to get a grip OP and grow up. He needs to put himself into family life. You're not his mother.

cosmiccosmos · 15/02/2023 15:39

Your DH HASNT adapted

JT69 · 15/02/2023 15:39

We have this 1950s nonsense - apparently everyone else’s wife cooks so it’s on the table as they arrive home….. I have grown up children and we all have different schedules. Some of us are veggie and one a vegan
so prefer to do our own thing in the week. Added to which DH comes home at random times and is also training for the London Marathon so is in and out training. I see no issue with it and it’s 2023 but We ve had many words on this - bloody dinosaur 🙄

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/02/2023 15:40

What's hi suggestion? Or is suggesting things also your job?

Crumpleton · 15/02/2023 15:40

latetothefisting · 15/02/2023 15:27

Tbh most people I know have a lot of flexibility with their hours, but even with someone who does have set working times I imagine most people fall somewhere in the spectrum between "leave at 5 on the dot" and "work (or spend time faffing around chatting unpaid) for an extra hour every single night of the week" which is what OPs dh apparently does....

Goodness....not a whole hour surly...
But I've definitely done the "right I must go now....yep yep, must go....

Dixiechickonhols · 15/02/2023 15:41

I was going to say about the car and teens. Mine seems to open up more there. Do perhaps he’s clumsily trying to say I’m out of loop.
I can imagine you get in at 9pm kids shower & bed and he’s not seen them. Easily remedied by him doing some lifts.
The shopping thing may be because they need fresh stuff - I top up shop for things like berries, salad. It’s also a good way to keep costs down as evening is prime yellow sticker time.
So eg op Op drops at 6 - does her hobby class for an hour. Has bit of time to kill before pick up so pops into supermarket. It’s convenient.
I do similar one day as DD does hobby too far to come back in middle.

Overthebloodymoon · 15/02/2023 15:43

Gosh, what a big baby he sounds! And sounds like you’d be better off without him. Aside from using the lawnmower, what else does he do?
We have three nights a week when we barely see each other as we take school pick ups in turns and whoever is home takes DC to their respective clubs. The difference is, in your case, it sounds as though he could share the club drop offs but chooses not to. Surely he could take the kids a couple of nights if he’s done by 5? I also use the time when DC are at sports to nip to the supermarket, or do a gym class myself. Saves the back and forth and petrol and seems a good use of time.

cestlavielife · 15/02/2023 15:43

You cannot make someone happy or miserable. It s on him to make changes. Not you.
He needs to take a hard. Look and see what is really the issue
Is it really all down to a grown man coming home alone? Fir two or three hours? He coukd drive back on time to eat and take dc to activities . He can fix this by going to pick up the kids himself . He can put dishes in the machine recognising it s a rush for you
He could pick up the dc 2x sessions
You have dc they need ferrying around how come you do it all?
Suggest hecgets more involved

Youwhatnowbiggles · 15/02/2023 15:45

Crikey, he sounds like a wet blanket. I have 3 kids, all doing 2 different sports each multiple times per week. It’s called being busy & healthy, not everyone wants to do it but certainly, where we are, it’s normal. My dh would have heated & eaten his food, done the washing up & lit a fire. He’d then enjoy the peace till everyone comes bustling back in. Perhaps he could take the kids to their activities? Would he enjoy watching? Perhaps he could volunteer to help whatever club their sport is run by so he’s more involved? He really needs to relive that the whole family isn’t there to facilitate his mental well-being.

bonzaitree · 15/02/2023 15:46

Sorry you’re running around doing all the sports lifts, waiting around a shops and HE feels put out…

Caterina99 · 15/02/2023 15:47

If this was my household I’d be expecting DH to be home on time to take the kids to their sports at least once a week. He can do the supermarket shop then too.

What is the reason he isn’t home until 6pm? You could all eat at 5.15/5.30ish and whoever isn’t going to sports cleans up.

latetothefisting · 15/02/2023 15:47

@goldencupidon I thought the same but I assume perhaps some days she does more than 1 activity. So for example monday she goes to her own activity and when she's finished pops to the shop for a few bits. Tuesday her activity and meets friend after. Fridqy supermarket again for a big shop. She says there's a 2 hour gap each time so plenty of time to do more than 1 thing while she's waiting for dc. It is an --unnecessarily overly detailed OP!

BlackFriday · 15/02/2023 15:48

Presumably you also come home to a cold empty house quite often?
Someone has to, surely?
He needs to grow up.

Dareisayimonetoo · 15/02/2023 15:48

He needs to be home by 5.10pm at least once a week, eat with you and the DC and then go help you with the food shopping, or you swop that to a click and collect and you both go for a meal, drink etc instead.

endoftheworldniteclub · 15/02/2023 15:49

JJJSchmidt · 15/02/2023 13:37

I do think it sounds a bit sad for him, i wouldn't like a family routine as you have described, it's not 'wrong' or 'unreasonable' as much as it just wouldn't suit me. I think you need to talk to each other about the things that could change as a family to make aure that everyone's needs are met.

This. It’s sounds like a very sad family life.

secondaryquandries · 15/02/2023 15:49

Could he change his work hours under flexible working and work later on the evenings when you are out/finish earlier other evenings either to spend time with family or take the children to their clubs?