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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
Dominoeffecter · 16/02/2023 13:50

Why does he take a hour to do ten minute journey?

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 13:58

Did you not read the thread @ThighMistress ?

Im baffled by this completely bizarre thing of people continuing to insist on making up that they never ever eat together

Plus, do you not work? Do your kids not have hobbies?

As if normal family life of work and hobbies is 'joyless'

LookItsMeAgain · 16/02/2023 14:09

McPie · 16/02/2023 13:10

So despite your many reasonable solutions to his issue he basically wants the three of you to give up all your activities making you miserable so you can all be home to fawn over him when he gets in to make him happier?

I think this is it in a nutshell.

He doesn't want to come home to an empty house - every one stays at home for him and the lights are on and everyone sits down to dinner at the same time but the OP's life and the lives of their children are put on hold

He doesn't want to come home to a dark, cold house - every one stays at home to greet him with warm open arms asking him how his day has been but their lives and activities get put on hold.

Seriously, if he wants things to change, he has to want to do something about it himself. You can't fix what he isn't willing to at least meet you half way about. Doesn't matter what you would go back to him with @legworker , if he isn't willing to meet you half way, you could be offering him the sun, moon and stars and he'd want the galaxy too.

LookItsMeAgain · 16/02/2023 14:16

@zingally: I wanted to pick up on this that you posted -
"You all sound just... very "busy". All this talk of "training"... How old are the kids? Are any of you future Olympians, or is this just for fun/fitness? Maybe there needs to be a bit more effort to do things together as a family?"

You don't have to be a future Olympian to have to show up for training. Any local club will have teams in whatever sport they are competing in at local level. Are you suggesting that they all just show up of a Saturday/Sunday and hope to be selected from the bench so they get to play. Every sport has training requirements. It's not just for fun/fitness, it's for team building and for the coaches to know who they can rely on to play and who actually plays well. That could be badminton/tennis/soccer/rugby/netball and I could go on and on and on and on...

Why also is it the OP that is be suggested that there needs to be more effort to do things together as a family? The OP has made suggestions to her husband and he has shut them down because he doesn't want to do them. It is he who has the issue about returning to a dark house (because his kids are doing their activities) whereas he could leave his work at 5pm and pick up the work the following morning but he is choosing not to.

They also sound busy, because they are busy.

Ryebreadandpickles654 · 16/02/2023 14:17

Op, from reading your updates, I think it’s fairly clear, well I hazard a guess anyway, that this is not about you, how you choose to schedule your time, or your dd.

Your dh is feeling stressed and out of sorts for some reason. This is to do with how he is feeling about himself and not how you are behaving so I wouldn’t feel guilty and start changing schedules.

Although I agree with pps that it’s not your job to manage his emotions, he may be going through something which means he would appreciate a listening ear. So why not take him out and discuss it with him? Going for a walk side by side or going for a long drive is a good way to elicit information.

Someone can be depressed and it comes across as being irritable or picking fault with anything. Or he could have another mh issue or general health issue. Maybe a visit to the gp might be in order?

Or it’s a work issue and he is feeling insecure about his position or is finding the job stressful in some way?

You have said he isn’t having an affair and you know him better than anyone on here but be aware that there have been countless posts on Mumsnet over the years where a man’s behaviour changes, and he starts nit-picking at everything related to his spouse and family life, in order to justify to himself that he needs to make a change. It sounds as though this isn’t the case here but just be aware if it continues and protect yourself.

Wishing you the best of luck. Marriage can be very testing at the best of times. Hope everything works out. He really should be backing you up more than he is currently and not adding to your burdens though.

MrsTerryPratchett · 16/02/2023 15:14

ThighMistress · 16/02/2023 13:22

I must admit the current set-up sounds rather joyless.

Of course it’s important for kids to do sport and keep up hobbies, but manically dashing about out of the house and eating dinner practically mid-afternoon seems completely unrelaxing and sterile.

Dh never gets home before 7 and neither did my df so it feels weird to me to have to eat toad in the hole or whatever at 4 o’clock like pensioners going to an early-bird special.

I think you should have one “family” evening meal a week - perhaps the dh could make it his thing.

So

Much

Hyperbole

'Manic' and eating at 4 and all the rest. Just reducing everything to absurdity doesn't make you right, it makes you inaccurate.

What is actually happening is they have a well-oiled machine, eating at a perfectly reasonable time, getting to their activities on time and doing what they want.

All the PP's suggestions about cleaners, and family meals and family time and driving to activities and arranging lifts and on and on, could all be organised by the person currently with massively more time on his hands. For example my DH just got tickets to a film him and DD want to see, I don't, so they can have time together. He's getting the Harry Potter game so they will play together, he plays Switch, he walks the dog with her, he does housework as well.

He did struggle during the toddler years because she was a mummy's girl. He stepped up and parented in the hard bits, and she loves him the same as me now. If he'd whined and moaned and made her feel shit, they wouldn't be close now.

There is no compromise with someone who refuses to move their position (as in OP's case). He doesn't want compromise, he wants capitulation.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 15:14

ThighMistress · 16/02/2023 13:22

I must admit the current set-up sounds rather joyless.

Of course it’s important for kids to do sport and keep up hobbies, but manically dashing about out of the house and eating dinner practically mid-afternoon seems completely unrelaxing and sterile.

Dh never gets home before 7 and neither did my df so it feels weird to me to have to eat toad in the hole or whatever at 4 o’clock like pensioners going to an early-bird special.

I think you should have one “family” evening meal a week - perhaps the dh could make it his thing.

They already have FOUR family meals a week.

MrsTerryPratchett · 16/02/2023 15:16

Oh and the only man who insists on everything being 'family time' I know is a very controlling and unpleasant man.

DontMakeMeShushYou · 16/02/2023 15:42

ThighMistress · 16/02/2023 13:22

I must admit the current set-up sounds rather joyless.

Of course it’s important for kids to do sport and keep up hobbies, but manically dashing about out of the house and eating dinner practically mid-afternoon seems completely unrelaxing and sterile.

Dh never gets home before 7 and neither did my df so it feels weird to me to have to eat toad in the hole or whatever at 4 o’clock like pensioners going to an early-bird special.

I think you should have one “family” evening meal a week - perhaps the dh could make it his thing.

Joyless for whom? Oh yes, the DH who is the only one who's happiness matters right?

Can the DH not make it "his thing" on one of the current 4 family evenings he does spend with them?

FromMyKitchen21 · 16/02/2023 16:13

I would have thought hobbies, friends and getting fresh air is the definition of joy !

DontMakeMeShushYou · 16/02/2023 16:16

FromMyKitchen21 · 16/02/2023 16:13

I would have thought hobbies, friends and getting fresh air is the definition of joy !

Exactly this! It is for me anyway.

cestlavielife · 16/02/2023 16:23

To be fair you hsve established since day one the idea of you does household food etc . You do kids. . He does "big" stufff
But as kids grow things change
Tell him
They are teens
Priorities change
This is how it is
Is he ready to take on kids taxi service as well or not?
The benefits are time in car with kids for chats
In five years they gone to uni etc .

There seem to be half the week where you can all eat together.
But maybe his malaise is something else entirely and "empty house" is not the main issue, just an easy one to blame .
If you were here with me i would be happy

Really??

JussathoB · 16/02/2023 16:28

Hmm I was going to suggest that something is organised so that DH dinner when he comes in is even easier for him to get. However you’ve said he just has to adjust what’s already been done ( add noodles etc) so ….
Maybe put more heating on on cold evenings.
Maybe come up with a dinner for him one night ( maybe the late night after his sport?) which really really is super easy for him.
Maybe he feels left out and that you and DDs are somehow forming a gang of 3 … talk to him about this kindly?
If none of this works, I suggest he comes home one night at 5 and takes the DDs out to training while you wash up then put your feet up. He could do the supermarket shop while he’s at it if it’s better than being at home.

Blondewithredlips · 16/02/2023 16:30

Ryebreadandpickles654 · 16/02/2023 14:17

Op, from reading your updates, I think it’s fairly clear, well I hazard a guess anyway, that this is not about you, how you choose to schedule your time, or your dd.

Your dh is feeling stressed and out of sorts for some reason. This is to do with how he is feeling about himself and not how you are behaving so I wouldn’t feel guilty and start changing schedules.

Although I agree with pps that it’s not your job to manage his emotions, he may be going through something which means he would appreciate a listening ear. So why not take him out and discuss it with him? Going for a walk side by side or going for a long drive is a good way to elicit information.

Someone can be depressed and it comes across as being irritable or picking fault with anything. Or he could have another mh issue or general health issue. Maybe a visit to the gp might be in order?

Or it’s a work issue and he is feeling insecure about his position or is finding the job stressful in some way?

You have said he isn’t having an affair and you know him better than anyone on here but be aware that there have been countless posts on Mumsnet over the years where a man’s behaviour changes, and he starts nit-picking at everything related to his spouse and family life, in order to justify to himself that he needs to make a change. It sounds as though this isn’t the case here but just be aware if it continues and protect yourself.

Wishing you the best of luck. Marriage can be very testing at the best of times. Hope everything works out. He really should be backing you up more than he is currently and not adding to your burdens though.

Totally agree with your comment about nit picking. I think there is a good chance his head has been turned and this is the beginning of him trying to justify future behaviour.

Floralnomad · 16/02/2023 16:31

I’d tell him straight that unless the attitude changes there will have to be changes . There is definitely more going on here , does he not like the job ?

ProfessionalWeirdo · 16/02/2023 17:05

Why do men mysteriously have to work more hours than they're contracted for while women mysteriously know how to say no, I have children/pets/parents/life that I have to pick up/sort/deal with/ get to by X time, and actually do so.
**
Men AND women both have to deal with bosses that think work should come before everything else, even though we work to live, not live to work.

OP, could your DH ask the boss: "Since when has it not been acceptable for me to arrange something in what is technically my own time?"

FinallyHere · 16/02/2023 17:14

You really have to hand it to him.

They both work full time. She does pretty much all the household and parenting chores, including feeding and ferrying the DC to their evening activities.

He gets home, one hour after his work finishes, a ten minute commute away.

One of them is making life work for their DC. The other does little around the house apart from complaining complaining that the washing up is not put away so he 'can't cook for himself'.

Why is it the woman carrying the full load of household and parenting while the man just complains while not doing much anything to facilitate family life.

Some posters read what I read and respond with ideas of things the woman in this so called partnership could do differently to improve his life.

Goodness, where will it end ? When does it end.

monsteramunch · 16/02/2023 17:25

FinallyHere · 16/02/2023 17:14

You really have to hand it to him.

They both work full time. She does pretty much all the household and parenting chores, including feeding and ferrying the DC to their evening activities.

He gets home, one hour after his work finishes, a ten minute commute away.

One of them is making life work for their DC. The other does little around the house apart from complaining complaining that the washing up is not put away so he 'can't cook for himself'.

Why is it the woman carrying the full load of household and parenting while the man just complains while not doing much anything to facilitate family life.

Some posters read what I read and respond with ideas of things the woman in this so called partnership could do differently to improve his life.

Goodness, where will it end ? When does it end.

Well said!

billy1966 · 16/02/2023 17:32

You are really trying to juggle it all in a positive way, with a spoiled selfish man child whinging in your ear.

Nothing worse than realising the father of your children makes family life harder rather than easier.

Telling you to sort out HIS problem with HIS daughter would have me asking him if he was on drugs, the cheek of him.

He needs to be told to grow up and cop on because he is behaving like a selfish spoiled loser of a husband and father.

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 17:36

@JussathoB

Whhhhhyyyyyyyy?!

Islandgirl68 · 16/02/2023 17:55

That sounds pretty normal for kids who do activities. You can't be joined at the hip 24/7. I do exactly the same, while taking teens to their sports, not worth coming home so do supermarket shop. If Hubby not home dinner is ready in the microwave. If he is not happy with that he is more than welcome to do the running around. Would rather my kids had activities than standing on street corners smoking and drinking. Think your husband needs a reality check. He could easily do some tidying up why should you do most of it.

Rollergirl999 · 16/02/2023 17:59

He finishes at 5. Why can’t he get home and take the girls to their sports or come with you? . I don’t understand why he can’t do this and doesn’t get home till after 6.

toomuchlaundry · 16/02/2023 18:01

@Rollergirl999 not everyone who officially finishes at 5 can actually finish work at 5

wordler · 16/02/2023 18:06

I agree with the PP who said this isn't about routines and who does what, this is about an internal unhappiness or issue going on inside your husband.

Even if you and the DC stopped doing everything you are doing now and did it all his way with 1950s style "Father is home" montage - it wouldn't be enough.

He'd then move on to something else to be annoyed about.

In a similar way if you stepped in as he's asking and attempted to 'mould' DD1 into something acceptable to him - it would never be enough and it would only be upsetting to DD1

I'd recommend you both go together to a therapist to talk about communication and how you both (but really especially him) want your relationships with the kids to develop.

mandlerparr · 16/02/2023 18:08

Whatever he is doing during that missing 50 minutes per day has him feeling guilty and he is trying to put that guilt off on to you and make it your fault. Not saying he is cheating, he could just be having a beer and burger but he feels guilty about it since he knows that is time that he could be spending with his family.

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