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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
Botw1 · 16/02/2023 12:39

@Crumpleton

What solution did @Sadlifter find?

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 12:40

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 12:27

Surely that’s the case with the vast majority of relationship posts on here? Sometimes it’s helpful to have an outsiders perspective.

Agree to some extent but while we as onlookers actually really no nothing at all of the other persons views/real feelings it's a bit unfair on them to be so judgemental.

C8H10N4O2 · 16/02/2023 12:40

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 12:39

@Crumpleton

What solution did @Sadlifter find?

I'm just waiting for someone to suggest he is depressed or on the spectrum to complete my handmaiden bingo card.

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 12:42

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 12:39

@Crumpleton

What solution did @Sadlifter find?

One that suited them....

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 12:43

I suggested he drive to the sport, watch the dds then drive them home. Then the OP could do what she wanted- stay, run, shop or just go home and slob. This is what we did once a week, in fact dh and I had a coffee and a chat while the dcs were doing their thing. It would help to get him more involved with the dds sport and the dds. Not sure how that makes me a handmaiden, but I've realised people just want a pile on, not any kind of nuance.

CloakAndTin · 16/02/2023 12:44

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 12:33

Where have I written it's all on the OP to find a solution??
I can't see where I wrote it.
I commented on @Sadlifter finding a solution.

You agreed with the poster you quoted that she had found a solution - that solution being that the OP solves her husband's issues by coming up with suggestions to change things (not really a solution). Then you said "MNs don't always like solutions" That's why I asked "why is it on the OP to find the solution" He's the one whining, not her.

IDontWantToBeAPie · 16/02/2023 12:44

Gui · 15/02/2023 18:47

There is a lot of 'what we used to do' which I have tried to separate out from the what we do now in the post. But your working pattern has changed a lot. From 9 to 3 and term time working to 8 to 4 home working.

He works 9-5. But he doesn't really. He works till past 6. He doesn't get home until after six. So isn't able to get home for a 5pm meal.
Which is an incredibly early time for many working people to get home and eat their dinner. Many many people are still at work at that time. You seem to expect him to be able to get home before 5pm.
His employer expects him to be at work.
Presumably he leaves well before ten to 9. His drive is ten minutes. But nobody sensible would leave cut it that fine to get to work on time. So he probably leaves at about 8. 30-40.

You work from home so have no commute or traffic. From 8 till 4. And yes, it is easy to put a load of laundry on during a short 'break' from the screen. Or a quick unload / load of the dishwasher while waiting for the kettle to boil.

Your girls sort themselves out to get to school.
You are out three times a week. Home at 9pm.
He is out once a week.

Your girls help with laundry, some housework, organise their lunches and bedrooms.

You say you do a full breakfast every morning. And go shopping twice a week.
There is no reason why the girls and you could not do cereal and toast or similar. They might like it too. With a lot less mess to clear up. So dirty crockery and items should have no need to accumulate by the dishwasher.

And you can shop just once a week ? Or have a delivery.

You don't say how far you have to drive your girls to their hobby. If it is just ten minutes you could drop one shop a week and be back home. Bit back and forth but it is an option.

People are saying he is old fashioned. His view may well be that he is at work from 8.30 to after 6pm.
He knows you are at work too, but also that you are at home.
It must be depressing to come home to dirty crockery by the kitchen regularly.
He thinks you could find a few minutes to put dirty things in the dishwasher.
Does you tea always take an hour ?
The house is cold ( why) ? You leave the house. Turn the heating on ? It is a thoughtful and loving thing to do.

He doesn't see you or his girls for four days and evenings out of seven.
The sentence which stood out was that you were pushing him out of family life with this routine and inflexibility.

I don't know why you changed your working pattern but you might want to reconsider not only your breakfast routine, but how you work at home so you can organise your whole families life to suit. And agree what household tasks are to be done and how best to divide them up.

But you have to want to.

So you're saying that because he has a commute and she doesn't she should do all the chores, ferry the kids around, do the food shop, cook all the dinners and of course always load the dishes so he hasn't got to do anything because he has to... commute.

They both work full time and she then sorts the kids out. The least he can do is wash up when he also gets to eat the food that dirtied them.

G5000 · 16/02/2023 12:44

OP has already said that husband does not want to do anything that would involve him changing his habits and comings and goings. So any 'well he could...' do not suit him, he won't do anything. He thinks the rest of the family should accommodate his wants.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 12:45

G5000 · 16/02/2023 12:44

OP has already said that husband does not want to do anything that would involve him changing his habits and comings and goings. So any 'well he could...' do not suit him, he won't do anything. He thinks the rest of the family should accommodate his wants.

No she hasn't. She's said he doesn't want to change his working hours, which is fair enough IMO.

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 12:51

@Sadlifter didn't find a solution that suited them

They suggested something the op had already suggested and the oh refused to do.

Now they are saying that it's fair enough that the man who is moaning rejects a reasonable solution because they don't want to do it.

As well as their first post that all but suggested the op meet him at the front door with a cigar and a ribbon in her hair

But doesn't know why folk think she's a 'handmaiden'

G5000 · 16/02/2023 12:52

Well she has suggested that he leaves earlier - he doesn't want to.
She suggested he works from home in the afternoons - he doesn't want to.
She also suggested that he can join her in her club, so they can spend time together - he's not interested.
I don't really see any suggestions from his side how to solve the issues, except that the family should be home waiting for when he decides to get there.

WhoNeedsSleepNotISaidMyBody · 16/02/2023 12:52

puppacup · 15/02/2023 13:40

I do think it sounds a bit sad for him, i wouldn't like a family routine as you have described, it's not 'wrong' or 'unreasonable' as much as it just wouldn't suit me

Agree.

Then he needs to shift his arse home in time for dinner & to go with them.

or are you suggesting the kids stop doing their sport?

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 13:02

*Botw1 · Today 12:51

@Sadlifter didn't find a solution that suited them*

Read it how you like....

My reply was to @Sadlifter finding a solution that suited @Sadlifter situation one elses.

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 13:04

@Crumpleton

Sorry that doesn't make sense

McPie · 16/02/2023 13:10

So despite your many reasonable solutions to his issue he basically wants the three of you to give up all your activities making you miserable so you can all be home to fawn over him when he gets in to make him happier?

zingally · 16/02/2023 13:20

I can see both sides.

He's being a bit of a baby. Perhaps harking back to "simpler times" when he'd come home to a warm, bustling house filled with wife and small children. But now (this time of year especially) he's coming back to a dark, cold, empty house, and perhaps feels like he never sees any of you.

You all sound just... very "busy". All this talk of "training"... How old are the kids? Are any of you future Olympians, or is this just for fun/fitness? Maybe there needs to be a bit more effort to do things together as a family?

But like all things concerning family life. It's seasonal. You'll blink and you'll be empty nesters. This season of organised chaos won't last forever.

TenTenEleven · 16/02/2023 13:21

legworker · 16/02/2023 07:56

And he's effectively told me to get to the bottom of the issues with DD1. I've told him that they're his issues and he needs to parent this one. He says I don't "back him up" and I've stated that I won't take his side if I don't agree with it (I don't think DD1 has done anything wrong). More 1950s housewife vibe. He is looking for obedience from me.

Not so lovely actually, is he?

Are you joining the dots yet OP?

What actually is the point of him. Would your live really be all that different if he wasn't there, sulking in the background like a passive aggressive wanker?

ThighMistress · 16/02/2023 13:22

I must admit the current set-up sounds rather joyless.

Of course it’s important for kids to do sport and keep up hobbies, but manically dashing about out of the house and eating dinner practically mid-afternoon seems completely unrelaxing and sterile.

Dh never gets home before 7 and neither did my df so it feels weird to me to have to eat toad in the hole or whatever at 4 o’clock like pensioners going to an early-bird special.

I think you should have one “family” evening meal a week - perhaps the dh could make it his thing.

ItchyBillco · 16/02/2023 13:27

Ugh, I really don’t like the sound of your husband, OP. I didn’t anyway, but now the favouritism and picking on your first daughter? No.

What does he actually bring to your lives? You and the girls have a good thing going, in spite of his malevolent presence.

Chasedbythechaser · 16/02/2023 13:29

You all sound just... very "busy". All this talk of "training"... How old are the kids? Are any of you future Olympians, or is this just for fun/fitness? Maybe there needs to be a bit more effort to do things together as a family?

It really isn’t unusual for kids as they get older. If they do gymnastics competitively, they will do five or six hours training per week at a minimum.

Two kids doing two different sports, this busyness is normal family life at this age for many households.

Notonthestairs · 16/02/2023 13:29

"I think you should have one “family” evening meal a week - perhaps the dh could make it his thing."

They have at least 4 family dinners a week. The children have training 3x a week. The husband has his own hobby night which falls on the same night as the children's.

So essentially 2 nights a week the husband is on his own.

They eat at 5 to accommodate their hobby.

ChildminderMum · 16/02/2023 13:30

ThighMistress · 16/02/2023 13:22

I must admit the current set-up sounds rather joyless.

Of course it’s important for kids to do sport and keep up hobbies, but manically dashing about out of the house and eating dinner practically mid-afternoon seems completely unrelaxing and sterile.

Dh never gets home before 7 and neither did my df so it feels weird to me to have to eat toad in the hole or whatever at 4 o’clock like pensioners going to an early-bird special.

I think you should have one “family” evening meal a week - perhaps the dh could make it his thing.

She said 5pm not 4pm.
They have 4 family meals a week.
Her husband is out of one of the kids' sports nights anyway.

Runaway1 · 16/02/2023 13:33

3 nights sport a week sounds really healthy to me. No idea why you’d want to change it - fun, exercise and socialising. I don’t get what seems so miserable about this set up to some.

Ginmonkeyagain · 16/02/2023 13:36

As I noted earlier Mr Monkey is marathon training right now which involves a lot of evening runs and I often don't get home from work until 7pm at the earliest. This means I often come home to an dark empty flat three or so days a week. There are a few moments, especially If I have had a long day, where I feel a bit deflated and then I crack on and sort out dinner and put the heating on etc.. as I am an adult.

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 13:46

ThighMistress · 16/02/2023 13:22

I must admit the current set-up sounds rather joyless.

Of course it’s important for kids to do sport and keep up hobbies, but manically dashing about out of the house and eating dinner practically mid-afternoon seems completely unrelaxing and sterile.

Dh never gets home before 7 and neither did my df so it feels weird to me to have to eat toad in the hole or whatever at 4 o’clock like pensioners going to an early-bird special.

I think you should have one “family” evening meal a week - perhaps the dh could make it his thing.

Firstly, they have 4 family dinners a week already. The DH isn’t happy with the other 3 nights, 1 of which he is out doing his own hobby anyway.
Secondly, why is doing hobbies, that they enjoy, ‘joyless’? The point of hobbies is that they bring joy.

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