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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 11:02

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 10:59

As I've said many times, the dh could drive to the sports thing, watch the dds then drive them home once a week. But everyone seemed to think that was a ridiculous idea so...

No, the DH thought this was a ridiculous idea. He said he can’t get home before 6 in order to do this.

G5000 · 16/02/2023 11:06

Why do men mysteriously have to work more hours than they're contracted for while women mysteriously know how to say no, I have children/pets/parents/life that I have to pick up/sort/deal with/ get to by X time, and actually do so.

Indeed a mystery. I remember at one time there were 2 threads on MN - in one, the wife described that she is working as X profession and therefore she has the flexibility to work around kids and domestic duties. In other, the wife said that she needs to do it all, husband is X profession, he doesn't have flexibility. X, as you might have guessed, was the same profession.

monsteramunch · 16/02/2023 11:07

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 10:59

As I've said many times, the dh could drive to the sports thing, watch the dds then drive them home once a week. But everyone seemed to think that was a ridiculous idea so...

Eh? Lots and lots of other people on the thread have also said, many times, that he could and should do that. OP has also asked him to. He has said no (see below). Not sure where you're getting that you've suggested it and everyone has called you ridiculous, that's not what's happened at all.

I have suggested going in earlier so he can leave earlier, but he claims that an early start won't result in an earlier finish (boss seems quite old-fashioned and a bit of a workaholic, and expects everyone in the office until at least 5.30pm). I've also suggested working from home, even just for the afternoon, so he could take a 30 min break for family tea time and then go back to his desk, but he has rejected this suggestion also

Orangello · 16/02/2023 11:10

OP but what does your DH actually want then? Kids do hobbies, they need to eat when you eat so they can get to the hobbies. Does he think they should quit, so they can be home waiting for him? Or what is his suggestion - clearly he thinks he himself can't be expected to change anything.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 11:11

monsteramunch · 16/02/2023 11:07

Eh? Lots and lots of other people on the thread have also said, many times, that he could and should do that. OP has also asked him to. He has said no (see below). Not sure where you're getting that you've suggested it and everyone has called you ridiculous, that's not what's happened at all.

I have suggested going in earlier so he can leave earlier, but he claims that an early start won't result in an earlier finish (boss seems quite old-fashioned and a bit of a workaholic, and expects everyone in the office until at least 5.30pm). I've also suggested working from home, even just for the afternoon, so he could take a 30 min break for family tea time and then go back to his desk, but he has rejected this suggestion also

I suggested he drive to the thing later, then OP leaves and does whatever she wants while he is involved with the dds. Dh did this for a while. No need for him to change his work schedule.

Blip · 16/02/2023 11:12

Your "lovely" DH being grumpy and miserable is not on you OP.

He has the ability to make all manner of changes to address the things he says are bothering him but yet he chooses not to.

I would find his behaviour extremely unattractive as a partner and am not impressed by what you describe of his parenting either.

JMSA · 16/02/2023 11:13

It does all sound a bit joyless. And I think the only detail missing is his daily bowel movements Grin

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 11:26

G5000 · 16/02/2023 11:06

Why do men mysteriously have to work more hours than they're contracted for while women mysteriously know how to say no, I have children/pets/parents/life that I have to pick up/sort/deal with/ get to by X time, and actually do so.

Indeed a mystery. I remember at one time there were 2 threads on MN - in one, the wife described that she is working as X profession and therefore she has the flexibility to work around kids and domestic duties. In other, the wife said that she needs to do it all, husband is X profession, he doesn't have flexibility. X, as you might have guessed, was the same profession.

Not every man has a job that is office based 9 to 5 and a 10 minute drive from home.
Even so traffic/other circumstances we don't account for can also impact on our time.

My DH and DC all work in jobs where they can't just leave things half done which is the same for many professions.

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 11:30

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 11:26

Not every man has a job that is office based 9 to 5 and a 10 minute drive from home.
Even so traffic/other circumstances we don't account for can also impact on our time.

My DH and DC all work in jobs where they can't just leave things half done which is the same for many professions.

Many women do too. But somehow it’s often expected that they rearrange things to cover domestic/childcare duties while the same is rarely expected of men.
DH and I both work in the same industry. We are both often expected to work far beyond a normal 9-5. Equally that allows us both the flexibility to be able to leave early on particular days to get our children to their evening hobbies/clubs. He is the only man I am aware of in his/my team that use this flexibility though.

GoldenCupidon · 16/02/2023 11:42

I'm really sorry he's now started to kick off at the girls too, I suspect that isn't new?

Do you think his arsiness about being alone in the house is really about them too - he thinks they're being spoilt with fun activities? What does he think they ought to be doing with their time?

Does he hang out with them at home? Sounds like no, if he doesn't know when they're going to bed.

I've only got a couple of suggestions, one is that you talk to him and ask him if he's ok, is he feeling low? Just wondering if all this petty upset and not getting involved might be a sign of some kind of depression. (And before anyone starts I'm not diagnosing anyone, or making excuses, but I know from experience that it can make you feel very "left out" of things and also reluctant to join in, bit of a vicious circle.)

The second is to do an experiment where you put him and DDs (esp DD1) together more often - maybe that's getting him to do more drop offs and pick ups, or maybe it's sending them to the supermarket together, whatever it may be. Sounds like you both need one to one time with your individual children and with you handling everything (you sound amazing) that's not going to happen for either of you. Even if it's you and DD2 going out to do something boring like shoe shopping and leaving them together in a cafe or at home. He needs to talk to her!!!

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 11:57

I've only got a couple of suggestions, one is that you talk to him and ask him if he's ok, is he feeling low? Just wondering if all this petty upset and not getting involved might be a sign of some kind of depression. (And before anyone starts I'm not diagnosing anyone, or making excuses, but I know from experience that it can make you feel very "left out" of things and also reluctant to join in, bit of a vicious circle.)

Righth or wrongly I'd have thought that this would have been a conversation that the OP would have had before posting on MN.
Surly it's the first port of call discussing it with the person it concerns.

C8H10N4O2 · 16/02/2023 12:01

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 11:26

Not every man has a job that is office based 9 to 5 and a 10 minute drive from home.
Even so traffic/other circumstances we don't account for can also impact on our time.

My DH and DC all work in jobs where they can't just leave things half done which is the same for many professions.

I'm not sure if you are deliberately missing the point here.

Women don't all work in clocked jobs either. We also have grumpy bosses, jobs which can't be left half done etc. Somehow, we manage to arrange our lives so that we accommodate other family members' needs, nursery pickups, club drop offs etc at least on some days of the week.

In reality - so do most men. They can arrange to eg on Wednesdays leave on time to do a pickup or an activity. This man is choosing not to do that. He is also choosing not to join them later, choosing not to get involved in the housework and then whinging that the family doesn't all rearrange its activities around him.

He even expects the OP to mediate his own relationship with his own children instead of making an effort on his own behalf.

Its pathetic, just like the endless excuse making for him.

GoldenCupidon · 16/02/2023 12:01

I dunno, everyone's got different perspectives which is one of the main reasons to post her in the first place - for ideas you haven't thought of yourself. Plus if someone (as with the OP) is being criticised about one specific thing it's not always easy to think more widely about what might be driving that, mostly people tend to jump to trying to "solve" the purported problem.

cestlavielife · 16/02/2023 12:12

legworker · 16/02/2023 07:53

Help. There is definitely more to this that needs unpacking. He's just blown up at DD1 about not responding to his "Good morning." DD1 says she said "hi." Now DH is going on about her not looking him, not wanting to speak to him. There are underlying issues here with perceived favourism of DD2 (who is more like him character-wise).

He is being a twat
Who wants to be wide awake in the morning pandering ?

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 12:13

C8H10N4O2 · 16/02/2023 12:01

I'm not sure if you are deliberately missing the point here.

Women don't all work in clocked jobs either. We also have grumpy bosses, jobs which can't be left half done etc. Somehow, we manage to arrange our lives so that we accommodate other family members' needs, nursery pickups, club drop offs etc at least on some days of the week.

In reality - so do most men. They can arrange to eg on Wednesdays leave on time to do a pickup or an activity. This man is choosing not to do that. He is also choosing not to join them later, choosing not to get involved in the housework and then whinging that the family doesn't all rearrange its activities around him.

He even expects the OP to mediate his own relationship with his own children instead of making an effort on his own behalf.

Its pathetic, just like the endless excuse making for him.

I'm basing this on the OP post, no one else's.
OP WFH....
Nothing missed...deliberately or otherwise.

Sleeptightnightlight · 16/02/2023 12:15

I'm really surprised by how many people think it's miserable/horrible/joyless to have 'only' four nights out of seven all together all night as a family.

Even before we had kids DH and I had hobbies/friends to see that meant we didn't spend every evening meal together. Our kids are currently too young for hobbies but when they are old enough I'd think we were doing brilliantly to pack everyone's hobbies into three nights and still have four nights of family time!

CloakAndTin · 16/02/2023 12:21

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 08:58

@Sadlifter that's the problem you found a solution...
MN's don't always like solutions..

Why is it all on the OP to find the "solution" to her husband's issues? Why does he get to throw his toys out of the plan and whine "This isn't working for meeee! Make it work for meee!!"

Men often do view women as service humans to make their lives easier. Sadly there are a fair few women who share that view too - some of whom are on this thread.

OP I would try to take the heat out of this situation. Agree a time to sit down and talk it through, with HIM coming up with suggestions of how things can change.

Lashing out because your children don't engage with you is counter productive and smacks of the old office poster "The beatings will continue until moral improves". He has some work to do and he needs to accept that.

G5000 · 16/02/2023 12:21

Not every man has a job that is office based 9 to 5 and a 10 minute drive from home.
Even so traffic/other circumstances we don't account for can also impact on our time.
My DH and DC all work in jobs where they can't just leave things half done which is the same for many professions.

yes, many women also work jobs where they can't just leave.

OPs husband HAS "office based 9 to 5 and a 10 minute drive from home" job.

And my post specifically said that in the same job, men will find flexibility impossible, while women, again, doing the same job, somehow manage to find the way, so I'm not sure what you are arguing with.

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 12:25

Sleeptightnightlight · 16/02/2023 12:15

I'm really surprised by how many people think it's miserable/horrible/joyless to have 'only' four nights out of seven all together all night as a family.

Even before we had kids DH and I had hobbies/friends to see that meant we didn't spend every evening meal together. Our kids are currently too young for hobbies but when they are old enough I'd think we were doing brilliantly to pack everyone's hobbies into three nights and still have four nights of family time!

Same. 3 nights a week out doing hobbies (that they enjoy) and seeing friends, with 4 nights spent at home as a family seems like the perfect balance to me. It’s healthy for teens/pre teens to have hobbies and socialise outside of school. It’s also healthy for parents to have hobbies away from their family unit.

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 12:27

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 11:57

I've only got a couple of suggestions, one is that you talk to him and ask him if he's ok, is he feeling low? Just wondering if all this petty upset and not getting involved might be a sign of some kind of depression. (And before anyone starts I'm not diagnosing anyone, or making excuses, but I know from experience that it can make you feel very "left out" of things and also reluctant to join in, bit of a vicious circle.)

Righth or wrongly I'd have thought that this would have been a conversation that the OP would have had before posting on MN.
Surly it's the first port of call discussing it with the person it concerns.

Surely that’s the case with the vast majority of relationship posts on here? Sometimes it’s helpful to have an outsiders perspective.

C8H10N4O2 · 16/02/2023 12:27

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 12:13

I'm basing this on the OP post, no one else's.
OP WFH....
Nothing missed...deliberately or otherwise.

WFH vs a ten minute commute is irrelevant.
WFH can just as easily involve a task running over time as being in the office or worksite.

There is no reason for him to stay later other than presenteeism - if he can't even arrange to leave on time one night each week then he is making a choice. The choice he is making is to leave it all the the OP to make the compromises and adjustments.

He is the one then whinging because he doesn't like the status quo, a status quo which he flatly refuses to change.

Hence - he is being pathetic, so is all the excuse making.

CloakAndTin · 16/02/2023 12:31

Sleeptightnightlight · 16/02/2023 12:15

I'm really surprised by how many people think it's miserable/horrible/joyless to have 'only' four nights out of seven all together all night as a family.

Even before we had kids DH and I had hobbies/friends to see that meant we didn't spend every evening meal together. Our kids are currently too young for hobbies but when they are old enough I'd think we were doing brilliantly to pack everyone's hobbies into three nights and still have four nights of family time!

They don't really think like that, it's just their internalised misogyny coming through because a MAN is sad. Their hyperbole is ridiculous - "never see each other," "never eat together" "you say you don't like spending time with him" - all totally made up in their heads to fit their narrative. It would be amusing if it weren't so damaging for women.

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 12:33

CloakAndTin · 16/02/2023 12:21

Why is it all on the OP to find the "solution" to her husband's issues? Why does he get to throw his toys out of the plan and whine "This isn't working for meeee! Make it work for meee!!"

Men often do view women as service humans to make their lives easier. Sadly there are a fair few women who share that view too - some of whom are on this thread.

OP I would try to take the heat out of this situation. Agree a time to sit down and talk it through, with HIM coming up with suggestions of how things can change.

Lashing out because your children don't engage with you is counter productive and smacks of the old office poster "The beatings will continue until moral improves". He has some work to do and he needs to accept that.

Where have I written it's all on the OP to find a solution??
I can't see where I wrote it.
I commented on @Sadlifter finding a solution.

DiscontinuedModelHusband · 16/02/2023 12:34

Presumably he's not a trauma surgeon or something (seeing as he has regular 9-5 hours).

In which case, staying after 5pm is a choice.

No-one is going to get sacked for leaving on time once or twice a week - however old fashioned their boss is, unless there are other issues.

C8H10N4O2 · 16/02/2023 12:38

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 12:33

Where have I written it's all on the OP to find a solution??
I can't see where I wrote it.
I commented on @Sadlifter finding a solution.

No you and @sadlifter just have a series of reasons why he shouldn't have to do anything which pushes it implicitly onto the OP.

He is the one wanting everyone to change around him, not vice versa.

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