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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
LookItsMeAgain · 16/02/2023 10:30

@legworker - has your DH come up or put forward any sort of suggestions as to how his issues can be resolved? I mean without altering what it is you're doing with the children?

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 10:31

Jeeze the pathetic little trad wives are scraping the barrel now huh.

Don't let your kids have a hobby cause daddy doesn't want to be alone and you might not be able to do homework even though you have 7 days a week still to do it.

🙄

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 10:32

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 10:31

Jeeze the pathetic little trad wives are scraping the barrel now huh.

Don't let your kids have a hobby cause daddy doesn't want to be alone and you might not be able to do homework even though you have 7 days a week still to do it.

🙄

You've really got a bee in your bonnet about trad wives haven't you. Quite abusive as well.

haggisbreath · 16/02/2023 10:33

"This is exactly us, down to the DH not knowing what is going on (we have Google Calendar, a paper calendar in the kitchen and a magnetic whiteboard"

So much here but this jumped out at me. So he wants to be part of things but doesn't want to make the effort to be part of things. He seems to want things to be managed round him rather than being an active part of the team. It sounds as though you have, and continue to, manage everything on a very fine balance - but he can't make any compromises?! I understand if it's a new job and he doesn't want to rock the boat perhaps, but he can't have it all ways.

Has he got any suggestions on how things could work to feel more included or does he expect that you'll deal with that too?!

The way he is with your DD1 also sounds like this is more of a deep running thing than just now that the kids are involved in more sports clubs.

I know that at times my DH also feels like he is a bit of a spare wheel - but I've made it clear that he is welcome to be more hands on with any of the kids things that I do. It's his responsibility to do that though, not mine to try and find ways and then ask him. I've got enough on and it sounds like you have too.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 10:33

@toomuchlaundry

Ah well things have changed since my day then. Unsurprisingly as I am old :P

Luckily my kids aren't anywhere near secondary school yet so still time for me to update myself on the latest thing for applications. I do think it would be a shame for unis to revert to relying solely on grades though, because as with extra curriculars the economic background of the parents gives one a significant leg up in terms of academic achievement - from what I hear, private tutoring is rife now among the kids of middle class parents. In my day, personal statements were about correcting for that and allowing people to express their other passions and talents. But I do see why that might be problematic too. It's hard to think of the best way to correct for economic inequity in university admissions.

However I stand by my point that over a whole lifetime, being encouraged to love exercise and enjoy your body as a strong and capable thing, especially for girls, is a lifelong benefit that outweighs a grade difference at GCSE. If a child were struggling then obviously there's a balance to be struck, but for academically able kids I'd worry far less about this week's homework than I would about their health and positive body image.

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 10:35

@Sadlifter

Yeah enforcing mysoginy and sexism tends to annoy me

Can't think why

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 10:35

My teen/tween kids get very little homework.

Certainly not enough to justify stopping a hobby.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 10:38

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 10:35

@Sadlifter

Yeah enforcing mysoginy and sexism tends to annoy me

Can't think why

It isn't misogyny to suggest a husband and wife talk to each other and try and help when rhe other one is miserable. Or sexist. It would be my first thought to see how I could make my normally sanguine dh happier.

Only the OP knows if her husband is really an unreasonable miserable git with no leg to stand on - maybe he is. But trying to find compromise in a relationship doesn't make anyone "pathetic".

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 10:40

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 10:35

My teen/tween kids get very little homework.

Certainly not enough to justify stopping a hobby.

Three full nights a week at 15 is quite a lot in gcse years. But obviously if they are coping well it's not an issue. I do know swimmers who did similar but usually early mornings rather than nights.

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 10:40

@Sadlifter

And if that was what was being suggested or what I was responding to that would be fair enough.

But its not

Im responding to all the suggestion that involve the op or the kids stopping doing what they want to do for no good reason other than the big boss man wants them to.

And men's wants should always come first

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 10:41

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 10:40

@Sadlifter

And if that was what was being suggested or what I was responding to that would be fair enough.

But its not

Im responding to all the suggestion that involve the op or the kids stopping doing what they want to do for no good reason other than the big boss man wants them to.

And men's wants should always come first

I don't think a single poster has suggested the dds give up their hobby.

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 10:42

The op doesn't say anything about a 15 yo or swimming

Notonthestairs · 16/02/2023 10:42

They do seem to be suggesting the Op give up her hobby though. No mention of the DH giving up his.

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 10:43

Then why the faux concern about home work?

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 10:43

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 10:42

The op doesn't say anything about a 15 yo or swimming

Sorry, I've used swimming as an example and got 15 from the fact that OP said one would be old enough to drive in a couple of years.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 10:44

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 10:43

Then why the faux concern about home work?

It's not "faux". It was an offshoot/random musing.

ButterflyOil · 16/02/2023 10:47

Tbh I don’t like the sound of his attitude. He refuses to make any compromises with his work or to get involved in sports and the schedule off his own back. He expects you and his (female - think that is telling) children to approach him to make him feel how he wants. Yet he seems to think this requires no effort on his part. To me, he does come across as wanting a set up where as the ‘head of the household’ as the patriarch he is afforded respect, love and attention on his own terms and feels insulted he doesn’t get it like that. I find it bemusing that he would throw his toys out of the pram because he felt he didn’t get a proper good morning. And then make that YOUR issue to sort out? What exactly does he expect you to do? Tell your daughters they must always reach out to him and show deference, respect and meet his emotional needs?

Sounds immature at best, patriarchal, old fashioned and sexist at worst. Where is his energy? Where are his efforts to connect with you and his children?

LadyJ2023 · 16/02/2023 10:52

Sorry but there's 2 versions of family, close knit happy family and passing ships family...all I'm gona say is I would be devastated if this was me hubby and our 4..We take the time with our kids to talk, have fun,listen to concerns,needs etc. We do things together with them. You seem to spend a lot of time shopping which I find bizarre. You all just seem to be passing by each other here there and everywhere. Life's to short put your kids first have fun, relax a little

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 10:54

LadyJ2023 · 16/02/2023 10:52

Sorry but there's 2 versions of family, close knit happy family and passing ships family...all I'm gona say is I would be devastated if this was me hubby and our 4..We take the time with our kids to talk, have fun,listen to concerns,needs etc. We do things together with them. You seem to spend a lot of time shopping which I find bizarre. You all just seem to be passing by each other here there and everywhere. Life's to short put your kids first have fun, relax a little

How is she not putting her kids first? She’s taking them to their hobby, that’s the reason she’s out of the house!

pointythings · 16/02/2023 10:56

It's not OP who isn't putting the kids first, it's the husband who won't make compromises that will make him part of things.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 10:58

LadyJ2023 · 16/02/2023 10:52

Sorry but there's 2 versions of family, close knit happy family and passing ships family...all I'm gona say is I would be devastated if this was me hubby and our 4..We take the time with our kids to talk, have fun,listen to concerns,needs etc. We do things together with them. You seem to spend a lot of time shopping which I find bizarre. You all just seem to be passing by each other here there and everywhere. Life's to short put your kids first have fun, relax a little

This is all well and good for primary age kids, but teens are surely developing into their own people with their own interests, lives and independence.... parents need to facilitate that development, not infantilise their kids to give themselves a rosy 'happy families' glow. Four busy people at different life stages aren't all going to be together every minute playing boardgames.

Op is putting her kids first. The DH isn't, he's putting what he'd prefer over what is beneficial and developmentally appropriate for his kids.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 10:59

As I've said many times, the dh could drive to the sports thing, watch the dds then drive them home once a week. But everyone seemed to think that was a ridiculous idea so...

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 10:59

@LadyJ2023

I can only presume your speaking to the oh as he is the only 1 not actively involved in family life?

@Sadlifter

Sure

amonsteronthehill · 16/02/2023 11:00

C8H10N4O2 · 16/02/2023 08:07

You need to think long and hard about life after the children. He is not going to change in his 50s.

You say he "has" to be at work until after five every day. Why? Why is it always women who sometimes manage to arrange that on specific days of the week they will leave on time whilst men "must" stay? Women have grumpy old fashioned bosses as well.

What actually stops him ensuring that one regular night a week he leaves on time and joins the sport to support his kids or does the shopping or gods forbid - does a bit of bloody housework?

Is this what you want for the next 40 years? To be the default person to do everything he doesn't want to do? Because if it isn't what you want, then you need to start changing things now.

Exactly this.

Why do men mysteriously have to work more hours than they're contracted for while women mysteriously know how to say no, I have children/pets/parents/life that I have to pick up/sort/deal with/ get to by X time, and actually do so.

It is a choice.

Men AND women both have to deal with bosses that think work should come before everything else, even though we work to live, not live to work.

OP's husband is choosing to put in extra time at work, doing very little at home with the house, his daughters, and their sporting activities ... and then having the absolute gall to complain that he's not being catered to like a 1950s husband.

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 11:00

@Sadlifter

And as youve been told many times he refuses to do that!

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