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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 09:40

wellbehavedwomenseldommakehistory · 16/02/2023 09:38

Also this. Honestly if we both worked full time we would most definitely have a cleaner. We only don't because I'm part time and can keep on top of it plus DH does his fair share!

Many many people don’t get paid overtime, especially in professional roles. I have never been paid overtime, my contract has always said I must work ‘the hours required to perform my role’.

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 09:42

Comtesse · 16/02/2023 09:00

It’s 2 nights a week! If he came home before 6pm this would not be an issue! HIBU.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week,

RunningFromInsanity · 16/02/2023 09:43

I’m sorry I can’t get past I like the suggestion of leaving them on when we leave, so it's more welcoming when he gets home
He’s a grown man. He can turn a light switch on within a second of walking through the door.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 16/02/2023 09:43

Sounds like he’s struggling with them growing up and away from him and he doesn’t know how to reconnect with them.
he needs to be the adult and make the effort. It’s not like when they are toddlers and they are pleased to see you- more so when you greet them with a kinder egg.

in my house the opposite is probably happening with dh embracing the teen years and he’s golden fun parent. so I’m having to think of ways to make sure I’m involved. That’s my job to do, not dh’s or dds.

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 09:43

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 09:42

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week,

I think the post about it being 2 nights a week was because for 1 of the 3 ‘sport’ nights the DH is at his own hobby, so wouldn’t be spending the evening with his family anyway.

MaverickGooseGoose · 16/02/2023 09:44

In essence your DH wants a mum, not a wife and family.

He needs to get his head out of his area and realise this is family life. WTF would you leave the lights on to make it more welcoming for him 😂?

Three nights a week I get in at 8, DH and the kids have long eaten by then. They wait her leave me something and I reheat it or I make myself something. Two nights a week I don't get home with the kids until after 9 because of their hobby. I usually Chuck something in the slow cooker those days.

Saturdays kids are at their sport all day.

Sundays are homework in the morning and we try to do something as a family in the afternoon.

I am very quickly realising if they go to uni they will only be with us for another five years, I'll relish it all.

QuinkWashable · 16/02/2023 09:48

I'm not saying it's a woman at all, but could someone at work be filling his head with these ideas? Like a teenager watching incel vids, or my dad spending far too much time on YouTube and becoming convinced about conspiracy theories?

My ex certainly was heavily influenced by his colleagues around what apparently should be acceptable in our relationship.

It's just a bit weird that it's started since the new job isn't it? Or am I reading things into it that aren't there.

Parisj · 16/02/2023 09:52

I think two generations ago family life for many often revolved around Dad's hobby/Dad watching the football / Dad having a nap / helping Dad do whatever he felt needed tackling. Life's not like that now. DH hoped we would all get into his hobby. We didn't. He was a bit sad, he expressed it, we didn't try to fix it, he moved on.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 09:53

RunningFromInsanity · 16/02/2023 09:43

I’m sorry I can’t get past I like the suggestion of leaving them on when we leave, so it's more welcoming when he gets home
He’s a grown man. He can turn a light switch on within a second of walking through the door.

Same. like heating an empty house so it's nice and snuggly for him when he gets in. He's an adult man returning to his house, not an infant returning to the womb! Who's got money to piss away so he can see a light in the windows as he walks down the garden path??

Xol · 16/02/2023 09:55

t's a bit off the point, but I'm wondering how on earth your DDs manage to reconcile all this time on sport with schoolwork? At that sort of age my DC had too much homework to be able to go out for three hours a night three nights a week.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 09:56

Xol · 16/02/2023 09:55

t's a bit off the point, but I'm wondering how on earth your DDs manage to reconcile all this time on sport with schoolwork? At that sort of age my DC had too much homework to be able to go out for three hours a night three nights a week.

Some parents don't care as much about this and live their lives through their kids sport. Seen it a hundred times.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 09:56

QuinkWashable · 16/02/2023 09:48

I'm not saying it's a woman at all, but could someone at work be filling his head with these ideas? Like a teenager watching incel vids, or my dad spending far too much time on YouTube and becoming convinced about conspiracy theories?

My ex certainly was heavily influenced by his colleagues around what apparently should be acceptable in our relationship.

It's just a bit weird that it's started since the new job isn't it? Or am I reading things into it that aren't there.

Hmm this is a thought, especially if the boss's old fashioned attitude is prevalent in the workplace. Maybe there's a sense from older/old-fashioned colleagues about what a man is entitled to that's rubbing off on him.

frazzledasarock · 16/02/2023 10:01

OP does the bulk of the household drudgery

OP leaves cooked food for her husband each day. He needs to add an accompaniment occasionally to his meals which OP has cooked him.

the husband complains he comes home to a ‘cold house’.

the husband complains house is dirty, why isn’t he washing pans and tidying up?

why is it taking him and hour to get home when his commute is ten minutes?

husband spends one of the evenings he could have tea with the family doing his own hobby.

So, husband come home, eats the food op has cooked for him, occasionally having to boil some rice/noodles whatever for himself. Then he waits for OP to come home so he can moan about the ‘dirty’ house. What’s he do in the three hours whilst he’s home and you’re all out?
not housework obviously.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 10:03

Xol · 16/02/2023 09:55

t's a bit off the point, but I'm wondering how on earth your DDs manage to reconcile all this time on sport with schoolwork? At that sort of age my DC had too much homework to be able to go out for three hours a night three nights a week.

Frankly I'd much rather my kids were doing a healthy, enriching activity with peers a good bit of the time than poring over books doing make-work every night.

When it comes to writing your UCAS forms, a string of great predicted grades is not enough - you need to show extra-curriculars and a rounded personality or you've nothing to distinguish you from the next person with similarly excellent grades. I discovered this myself when I applied for competitive uni courses - I had perfect predicted grades, but nothing else to show for myself really bar reading books, and I got rejected from my to 3 choices. So I did a gap year and undertook some enriching activities, did some volunteering and work, travel. Next time I applied I was accepted everywhere and had my pick.

Not to mention regular exercise releases endorphins and promotes good sleep, both of which are essential for learning well while actually at school.

They'll live in their bodies for life, building up healthy habits and a good relationship with their bodies as strong, capable, etc will do them (especially as girls) far more good than a ton of extra studying, even if it costs them a grade or two at GCSE level.

Spoken as a highly academically qualified, very unsporty fat girl with zero confidence in herself, who wants far better for her daughters.

pointythings · 16/02/2023 10:07

Your husband needs to accept that this is a normal stage in parental life. It passes, and until it does he has to do what you have done - adapt and make the best of it by embedding his own activities and interests into that time. All he's doing right now is moaning.

It's concerning that he is playing favourites and picking on your DD1 - that needs to stop.

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 10:07

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 09:56

Some parents don't care as much about this and live their lives through their kids sport. Seen it a hundred times.

Some children are far more efficient with homework than others. I was out of the house 3 evenings a week at least as a teen, and still managed top GCSE and A-level results and a law degree. 4 evenings plus weekends was plenty of time for me to do my homework, see friends and relax. I’m sure the OP can judge whether her children’s hobbies are affecting their academic performance.

Xol · 16/02/2023 10:08

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 10:03

Frankly I'd much rather my kids were doing a healthy, enriching activity with peers a good bit of the time than poring over books doing make-work every night.

When it comes to writing your UCAS forms, a string of great predicted grades is not enough - you need to show extra-curriculars and a rounded personality or you've nothing to distinguish you from the next person with similarly excellent grades. I discovered this myself when I applied for competitive uni courses - I had perfect predicted grades, but nothing else to show for myself really bar reading books, and I got rejected from my to 3 choices. So I did a gap year and undertook some enriching activities, did some volunteering and work, travel. Next time I applied I was accepted everywhere and had my pick.

Not to mention regular exercise releases endorphins and promotes good sleep, both of which are essential for learning well while actually at school.

They'll live in their bodies for life, building up healthy habits and a good relationship with their bodies as strong, capable, etc will do them (especially as girls) far more good than a ton of extra studying, even if it costs them a grade or two at GCSE level.

Spoken as a highly academically qualified, very unsporty fat girl with zero confidence in herself, who wants far better for her daughters.

It wasn't make-work for my DC, it was work they needed to do to get their GCSEs and A levels and generally speaking, they enjoyed it. They did plenty of extra-curricular stuff including sport, just not for three hours an evening for three weekday evenings every week, and they had no trouble getting into excellent universities.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 10:12

Xol · 16/02/2023 10:08

It wasn't make-work for my DC, it was work they needed to do to get their GCSEs and A levels and generally speaking, they enjoyed it. They did plenty of extra-curricular stuff including sport, just not for three hours an evening for three weekday evenings every week, and they had no trouble getting into excellent universities.

Well that's god it worked for them! Different children require different amounts of study to do well. Different families prioritise different types of development. I think perhaps you might reflect that what was 'just the right balance' for your kids isn't universally applicable, and maybe the OP has her eye on this too?

sjxoxo · 16/02/2023 10:15

Agree with all saying he should just come home from work at 5pm and not dawdle about. He can do at least one of the ferrying around or you can do it together and have a drink or something whilst the kids do their sports. He’s essentially wasting 5 hours a week of these precious evenings by hanging about between 5-6pm. He should easily be home by just gone 5! x

piedbeauty · 16/02/2023 10:16

Ask him how he thinks you could do it better. How else will the kids get to their clubs? Who else could cook tea? What are his ideas?

He sounds like a moaning git who doesn't do anywhere near his share of the household chores. Lazy twit.

toomuchlaundry · 16/02/2023 10:22

@MaybeIWillFuckOffThen not all universities look at personal statements, and they may even be phased out. Also as extra curricular activities are more likely in families with spare income, they have to be careful to put too much store on them so as not to disadvantage other families.

@sjxoxo I assume he is working not dawdling

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 10:26

No university cares if your kids go to the local swim/gymnastics club three times a week.

lieselotte · 16/02/2023 10:28

My DH comes back to an empty house a couple of times a week as I go out to my hobbies before he comes home. However, I do the washing up before I go out, I don't leave him a tip to come back to. He usually heats up a tin of soup on one of those days. The other day he sorts something else out.

Does your DH actually need to work until 6? If so, could he go in for 8am instead, so he can leave on time?

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 10:28

I imagine the kids do though. And activity/exercise/competition is good for you. You seem to think the OP is forcing this on the children for her own gains, when there is no evidence that this is the case?

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 10:29

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 10:28

I imagine the kids do though. And activity/exercise/competition is good for you. You seem to think the OP is forcing this on the children for her own gains, when there is no evidence that this is the case?

Not at all. Was replying to poster saying ucas forms like this kind of stuff in a personal statement. They don't really.