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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 09:19

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 09:18

Tbf my kids still come and say goodnight to me and dh and they are late teens. Even the two at uni come and say goodnight when they are at home! It's nice!

It's nice if it's a friendly habit, not if they've been advised you will present yourselves to Papa and say goodnight politely or else.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 09:20

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 09:18

Why are you making separate meals ? We have a gluten free family member so we all eat gluten free noodles etc.

That is completely bonkers. What if your teen decides t go vegan, must the whole family then eat vegan? gluten free costs loads more, it would be crazy to buy it for everyone if only one person needs it.

It's a solution though isn't it, then he could just heat it up.

Tbf my dh would make himself dinner and enjoy a few hours in an empty house 😅

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 09:21

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 09:19

It's nice if it's a friendly habit, not if they've been advised you will present yourselves to Papa and say goodnight politely or else.

Of course it's a friendly habit! We all like each other!

DoNotGetADog · 16/02/2023 09:24

DontMakeMeShushYou · 16/02/2023 09:15

I made the point about shift work last night but it seems that it is an alien concept to most on MN, as evidenced by this post.

Shift work - my DH got home from work at 10.30 pm every other week (still does). The kids didn't. Their day wasn't different. There isn't a different school for kids with parents who do shift work that keeps them there until 10.30pm. They still finished at 3pm. So obviously every other week my DH didn't spend any family time with us.

But the point made to me was more or less “if you think 5pm is really early to have your tea, you’d never cope with shift work.”

I’m just saying shift work is different. You know - like if your husband finishes work at 10.30pm, I doubt he goes to bed at 11pm like I, who doesn’t work shifts, would. Also, if he starts work at say 3pm, I doubt he has his tea at 5pm. I don’t know though!

Anyway, neither the OP nor her DH are doing shift work!

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 09:26

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 09:18

Why are you making separate meals ? We have a gluten free family member so we all eat gluten free noodles etc.

That is completely bonkers. What if your teen decides t go vegan, must the whole family then eat vegan? gluten free costs loads more, it would be crazy to buy it for everyone if only one person needs it.

Not necessarily. If your diet is predominantly processed food, the. GF costs more. There are many, many foods are naturally gluten free. Even for processed foods, many types of noodles, for example, are gluten free.

It’s not hard to cook for both vegans and non-vegans if you cook fresh, either. zjust mix in cheese, add grilled chicken, etc etc

user1492757084 · 16/02/2023 09:28

I would encourage DH to get home early one of the sport nights so that he can take DD to training one night. He will appreciate the task that has to be done that way and he can communicate with you all about DD hobbies. Other than that - plating him up a meal (regardless of whether he adds something to it) might make him feel included.
You run a very organised home and I think DH feels superfluous and out of touch with DD and new hobbies and them growing older. You will all have more fun as a family if you include DH more. He will relate better with kids which takes a lot of pressure off you.

wellbehavedwomenseldommakehistory · 16/02/2023 09:29

Isn't this just how family life works sometimes? We have two evenings a week where it's pretty chaotic here and they coincide with the two days a week that my DH works in the office.

Two days a week he works from home, I collect the children from school (early primary age). I entertain/play/do their reading/spellings with them etc until 5pm and we then all sit down for dinner together which I've usually prepared through the day and just finish off at dinner time (I WFH and my work is very part time, flexible and some voluntary so I can do whenever I like) Then we share the baths/bedtimes etc and it's all very lovely. DH does his sport on one of those evenings later on, I get a blissfully quiet evening to myself and the other we spend the evening together. We usually try to make time to watch a film together or something, just something to make sure we're dedicating some time to each other. If you watched our family on one of those days most of the time as long as the children are playing ball you'd think we've got it made!

Then on the other two days a week he works in the office which is an hours drive away. He leaves first thing and I fly around like a madwoman in the mornings. I don't know why because even when he WFH he starts early and I get the children ready. But him leaving whilst the children are having breakfast changes their routine and seems to throw things off and it is 'go go go' to get the children to school on time. Then I generally have work meetings (zooms) most of the day whilst the children are in school and use any spare time to catch up with housework whilst the house is empty. Both evenings after school the children have sports/classes so we come home for a quick snack and change of clothes and head straight back out.

We're not home until 6:30/7pm (not that late but children are young, R and KS1). They then have their dinner, and I do their baths and bedtime. By then time they've wound down and are fed, bathed and settled it's usually around 8pm which is when DH is just usually getting home.

He normally comes into a clean (from the day) but pretty untidy (from the kids dinner/used sports equipment/school bags and assorted detritus etc everywhere) house, me upstairs washing the bath out or folding laundry and dinner not even started. One of those nights I also do my sport, (I have a proper cooked lunch that day) so as soon as he's home I pretty much go out until 10pm and just have a bit of toast or something when I get home.

Those nights he comes home, tidies up the children's dinner and general mess whilst he's cooking his own food and we meet in bed at the end of the night if we're lucky. More often than not he's asleep when I get up there. The other, he tidies up whilst I cook our dinner. We eat quite late and go straight to bed! I'll be honest I'd love to say we spend our meal sitting at the table, talking over our days and catching up. We do not. We're both bloody exhausted. We usually slump in front of the tv or our phones after a hug and a 'good day?' 'Yeah, you?' 'Meh, busy!'. If you watched our family on those days you'd think everything is a mad rush, we have very little time for each other, can't even be arsed to speak in the evenings and I'm so stretched for time that I have to eat toast for dinner whilst the rest of my family eat proper meals Grin

That's just life isn't it? I don't know anyone who has the idyllic 'family life/routine' thing every day. Life is busy when you work and have children, and hobbies etc. I'm really lucky, as I say my work is part voluntary and v part time plus I love it. So I just squish it in where I can around the family which I'm happy with. If we were both working full time we would have way more chaotic days than the two that we do.

Honestly I think your DH needs to stop being a baby and suck it up. It's not forever. It sounds like he's wanting some sort of old fashioned housewife waiting for him with a meal, warm slippers and freshly bathed children as soon as he walks through the door. It's 2023.

Cold house would annoy me because I hate being cold. But he can put a bloody jumper on surely whilst the house warms up or can you get it warm in the day so it's not so chilly when he gets home? If not, if he's handy is there something he can do about the heating etc?

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 09:30

Figmentof · 16/02/2023 09:18

I am not suggesting it is all done to the OP. I am suggesting that as a family member is unhappy, they could discuss it with a view to making changes. Would you not want to try and make a family member happy? OP seems very rigid in her routines.

He's unhappy because the house is empty three nights a week when he gets in. The only way to fix that is for the kids to stop doing their activity (which is also the time the wife gets to do some things for herself) or for him to get home earlier, or join the wife at her activity, both of which he has said he can't/doesn't want to do. So there really isn't a way to 'make a family member happy' without making the other three unhappy.

Do you really think the kids should miss out on their activity so he can be 'made happy'? or that the wife should come scurrying home between drop off and pick up instead of filling that time usefully where she is? So he can be made happy?

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 09:30

@DoNotGetADog

No the point made ti you was asking why you were saying the oh was always alone and never gets to eat with his family.

When that's obviously not true

Drinkinggreentea · 16/02/2023 09:30

He's doing 45 minutes extra every day so with his overtime money he can afford a cleaner a few hours a week.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 09:31

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 09:21

Of course it's a friendly habit! We all like each other!

Well good! But in this family's case it is not their habit, and if I was going to get my head bitten off by my father for not conducting a casual greeting in the exact way he thinks is appropriate I don't think I'd be seeking him out either.

Notonthestairs · 16/02/2023 09:31

The husband is unhappy but has made no suggested changes to improve matters.

Instead he's pushed it on to the Op as yet another issue she's left to sort out.

Why can't he talk to his kids and ask them to say goodnight? Why can't he at least talk to his boss about leaving a bit earlier one evening a week and make up time elsewhere?

He's delegated all responsibility to the Op.

BreadwinneBaker · 16/02/2023 09:32

Op I think the main problem here is your DH seems to think he should be the priority in the whole family's calendar

There's lots of options for him to fix this problem - actually step up with the not glorious drudge work of the house (which you do), come home at 5.10pm, etc. But he expects to dump this whining at your door and for you all to pivot around him.

He doesn't seem to realise that your children are developing a life of their own

Axahooxa · 16/02/2023 09:32

He’s being selfish

DontMakeMeShushYou · 16/02/2023 09:32

DoNotGetADog · 16/02/2023 09:24

But the point made to me was more or less “if you think 5pm is really early to have your tea, you’d never cope with shift work.”

I’m just saying shift work is different. You know - like if your husband finishes work at 10.30pm, I doubt he goes to bed at 11pm like I, who doesn’t work shifts, would. Also, if he starts work at say 3pm, I doubt he has his tea at 5pm. I don’t know though!

Anyway, neither the OP nor her DH are doing shift work!

OK, apologies, I didn't read the original post properly.

My point was that for millions of families not being able to sit down to a family meal every night is par for the course. So yeah, different point. 😀

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 09:33

@Sadlifter

Why would the op suggest a cleaner? That's just paying another woman to do her ohs share

toomuchlaundry · 16/02/2023 09:34

@Drinkinggreentea depending on his role he might not get overtime pay, I never have in my professional role.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 09:35

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 09:33

@Sadlifter

Why would the op suggest a cleaner? That's just paying another woman to do her ohs share

Why does anyone have a cleaner in that case?

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 09:35

You'd need to ask them

Theelephantinthecastle · 16/02/2023 09:36

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 09:35

Why does anyone have a cleaner in that case?

Our cleaner reduces what we BOTH do. Having her doesn't mean my DH does nothing and I pick up everything else.

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 09:38

Figmentof · 16/02/2023 09:18

I am not suggesting it is all done to the OP. I am suggesting that as a family member is unhappy, they could discuss it with a view to making changes. Would you not want to try and make a family member happy? OP seems very rigid in her routines.

So the changes that can be made here are…

The children stop doing their hobby
The DH comes home earlier so he can eat with them before they go
The DH goes along with them to their hobby and spends time with them all that way.

He’s already said no to 2 and 3, so that leaves 1. Which would make the DH happy, but everyone else unhappy.

wellbehavedwomenseldommakehistory · 16/02/2023 09:38

Drinkinggreentea · 16/02/2023 09:30

He's doing 45 minutes extra every day so with his overtime money he can afford a cleaner a few hours a week.

Also this. Honestly if we both worked full time we would most definitely have a cleaner. We only don't because I'm part time and can keep on top of it plus DH does his fair share!

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 09:38

Theelephantinthecastle · 16/02/2023 09:36

Our cleaner reduces what we BOTH do. Having her doesn't mean my DH does nothing and I pick up everything else.

Well exactly. It would make OPs life easier generally surely? Unless she wants to be a martyr 🤷‍♀️

phoenixrosehere · 16/02/2023 09:39

Figmentof · 16/02/2023 09:18

I am not suggesting it is all done to the OP. I am suggesting that as a family member is unhappy, they could discuss it with a view to making changes. Would you not want to try and make a family member happy? OP seems very rigid in her routines.

The routines are not just her though but in response to their children’s extracurricular activities and doing household tasks.

His seems to be more rigid despite doing little compared to OP.

DiscontinuedModelHusband · 16/02/2023 09:40

totally agree with PP about him needing to insert himself into things more.

was exactly the same with us.

doing football drop-off, walking to cubs and doing dance drop-off once or twice a week does give much more opportunity to build/deepen relationships, so it should be shared more.

you need to warn him that his DDs probably aren't mature enough to look beyond their own needs/bubble - particularly when it comes to the people that provide them their safety/security.

he needs to set the example.

if he doesn't, they will become more and more indifferent to him as they get older - why should they put the effort in when he doesn't?

my BIL is realising this now with his teenage DC. he still tries the same "teasing" and "jokes" that worked when they were 4/5/6, and can't understand why they don't respond the same way. and can't understand why they don't tell him anything.