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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
Over40Overdating · 16/02/2023 09:03

OP the more you post the less ‘lovely’ this man seems.

Look at what you’ve said : he wants you all to be waiting at home to greet him and sod your activities and interests. He wants you all to change to suit his needs.

His dinner should be ready - made by and shopped for by you. But not at a time when you should be at home simpering at him.

The house should be clean - by you or your girls.

The effort to say good morning / night should be made by your girls.
And he throws a temper tantrum if they don’t make an effort when he makes none.

If you think this can be solved by anything less than telling him to buck his ideas about what a healthy family life looks like and his place in it - not the centre - then you have decades of misery ahead.

You’ve already said he resents you being happy - this will never, ever change.

And the picking on your daughter needs to be nipped in the bud NOW.
She’s already seeing a relationship model where the women of the house do everything and the sulky man shouts and stamps his feet and must be placated.

Do not add being bullied if she doesn’t simper to the big man be another lesson she’s learning.

Notonthestairs · 16/02/2023 09:04

Schnooze · 16/02/2023 09:03

He could work till 7 one night to please his sexist boss, then leave at 5 one night. Bingo. Solves two lonely nights in one.

Too easy and doesn't stop the Op having outside interests.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 09:05

I can't quite get beyond everyone saying not getting home until 6 is "late" 😄 I must live in a parallel universe - in my world, people aren't willing to risk their job to take their kids swimming.

FromMyKitchen21 · 16/02/2023 09:05

I’m like you OP, kids have lots of hobbies, I enjoy taking them and I get my own me time while they are there , running, coffee , chatting with other parents etc. OH did complain and I felt guilty until I decided that our happiness mattered too. He doesn’t want to take any part in bringing them to stuff, dislikes chatting etc just likes home and telly at night. Fine, but I don’t want my kids to miss out.

DoNotGetADog · 16/02/2023 09:06

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 08:14

@Sadlifter

But neither the op or the kids are miserable

Eating at 5 a few nights a week is fine. God only knows how any of you would cope with shift work!

The oh does nothing for them and expects them to cater to his every whim?

Absolutely not.

The shift work point is just silly - if you do shifts you obviously do things at different times to normal- your whole day is different.

maddy68 · 16/02/2023 09:06

You are doing other activities while you are out at night so doing teh shopping while waiting for the kids is reasonable.

You work from home therefore why is the house cold ? You must have had the heating on for you do you switch it off when you leave?

Also while you are working from hime. You make mess while you are there because you are eating/drinking at home Wash your dishes that you have used or at least bung in the dishwasher.

Why are you making separate meals ? We have a gluten free family member so we all eat gluten free noodles etc.
Just plate one up so he can chuck it in the microwave and put the pans etc in the dishwasher as you use them

He sounds sad and feels he's missing on family life which he is.

You have an active social life he does sport once a week.

Can't you find time for you both to have a night together to do something nice ?

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 09:10

maddy68 · 16/02/2023 09:06

You are doing other activities while you are out at night so doing teh shopping while waiting for the kids is reasonable.

You work from home therefore why is the house cold ? You must have had the heating on for you do you switch it off when you leave?

Also while you are working from hime. You make mess while you are there because you are eating/drinking at home Wash your dishes that you have used or at least bung in the dishwasher.

Why are you making separate meals ? We have a gluten free family member so we all eat gluten free noodles etc.
Just plate one up so he can chuck it in the microwave and put the pans etc in the dishwasher as you use them

He sounds sad and feels he's missing on family life which he is.

You have an active social life he does sport once a week.

Can't you find time for you both to have a night together to do something nice ?

I imagine, like for most people, the house is also fairly cold when the OP is working from home as most people can’t afford to heat their houses all day. I work from home and the heating is only on when my children are here.

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 09:10

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 09:00

Where everyone else’s children are I guess… at their home. We have no childcare so DH and I haven’t had a night out (or in) alone for 5 years, but that doesn’t mean we’re not spending quality time together.

ok… not sure how anyone manages to spend more than minimal quality time together when you’ve teens and have 3 nights to do so.

Many spouses prefer spending minimal time with each other. That’s the only way many marriages survive.

WhatWouldTheDoctorDo · 16/02/2023 09:11

I've read all the posts OP, but not the full thread. On the family routine, you have come up with a couple of suggestions which don't suit him, so it's really up to him to come up with a solution.

He needs to sort the issues out that he's got with your DC. Though I would say, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to pop down to say goodnight rather than you both estimating when they're going to bed and searching them out. It's not much to ask really.

I'd be looking to have a sit down chat to air all the issues, agree a way forward, but also make it clear that basically being grumpy or sulky because things don't suit him isn't an acceptable outcome.

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 09:12

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 09:05

I can't quite get beyond everyone saying not getting home until 6 is "late" 😄 I must live in a parallel universe - in my world, people aren't willing to risk their job to take their kids swimming.

Not in mine either. But they also don’t complain when they get home and their partner has taken the kids swimming in their absence. Because otherwise the kids don’t get to go swimming (or whatever their hobby is).
I actually do finish early one night a week to take my kids to an activity. It’s not risking my job because a) I work late on many occasions so I have some flexibility and b) I’ve ran it past my boss.

EyesOnThePies · 16/02/2023 09:12

Any if these options?

Internet shop / weekend shop.
He gets home by 5.10 for shared tea
You drop kids, go for a run and eat together, he goes to collect the kids
Ask him how it can be solved

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 09:13

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 08:56

Well he doesn't sound like there's much to like. Moaning, lazy and insecure.

True

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 09:13

@Sadlifter

Have you not read any of the ops posts? Has it not occured to you that your 'helpful' suggestions are things she has already suggested?

He could get a cleaner, food delivery, lift share

Anything but actually do any of the work himself eh?

Who needs men to keep the patriarchy going?

Valeriekat · 16/02/2023 09:13

Figmentof · 16/02/2023 08:01

I don’t know why you have gone into all that detail about who makes dinner and packed lunches. It seems to me, that your husband is upset at the lack of family time he has. And actually yes it does sound miserable for him and if I were him I would be thinking I might as well not be there. I honestly cannot think why you wouldn’t try to make changes if a family member is unhappy. Do you want him to be miserable, sounds like you don’t really care to be honest.

OP does all the domestic chores and takes the children to their activities. It is up to him to step up and grow up. He sounds awful.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 09:14

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 09:05

I can't quite get beyond everyone saying not getting home until 6 is "late" 😄 I must live in a parallel universe - in my world, people aren't willing to risk their job to take their kids swimming.

It's too late to have dinner with the family 3 nights a week because they are out from 6. So if he wants to have dinner as a family every night, he needs to get home earlier. OP isn't saying he should, nor is anyone else really, just that he needs to stop moaning about the three nights of the week he gets home when he gets home and nobody's there.

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 09:15

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 09:10

ok… not sure how anyone manages to spend more than minimal quality time together when you’ve teens and have 3 nights to do so.

Many spouses prefer spending minimal time with each other. That’s the only way many marriages survive.

They have 4 nights to do so, the OP is only out 3 nights a week. And even if the teens didn’t do their hobby (therefore solving the DH’s apparent issue) they would still be in the house on those 3 nights a week, so how would the OP be spending any more quality time with her DH?
If you have children you have to assume that generally, they’re at the home they live in in the evenings.

DontMakeMeShushYou · 16/02/2023 09:15

DoNotGetADog · 16/02/2023 09:06

The shift work point is just silly - if you do shifts you obviously do things at different times to normal- your whole day is different.

I made the point about shift work last night but it seems that it is an alien concept to most on MN, as evidenced by this post.

Shift work - my DH got home from work at 10.30 pm every other week (still does). The kids didn't. Their day wasn't different. There isn't a different school for kids with parents who do shift work that keeps them there until 10.30pm. They still finished at 3pm. So obviously every other week my DH didn't spend any family time with us.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 09:16

WhatWouldTheDoctorDo · 16/02/2023 09:11

I've read all the posts OP, but not the full thread. On the family routine, you have come up with a couple of suggestions which don't suit him, so it's really up to him to come up with a solution.

He needs to sort the issues out that he's got with your DC. Though I would say, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to pop down to say goodnight rather than you both estimating when they're going to bed and searching them out. It's not much to ask really.

I'd be looking to have a sit down chat to air all the issues, agree a way forward, but also make it clear that basically being grumpy or sulky because things don't suit him isn't an acceptable outcome.

They're not the Von Trapps.

GrinAndVomit · 16/02/2023 09:16

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 09:16

They're not the Von Trapps.

😂😂😂

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 09:16

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 09:13

@Sadlifter

Have you not read any of the ops posts? Has it not occured to you that your 'helpful' suggestions are things she has already suggested?

He could get a cleaner, food delivery, lift share

Anything but actually do any of the work himself eh?

Who needs men to keep the patriarchy going?

I have read her posts but there wasn't anything about cleaners or lift shares?

The OP likes it, the dh doesn't. I guess they'll have to agree to disagree.

rainbowstardrops · 16/02/2023 09:16

It's up to him to change things to make himself feel happier.

It's only 3 days out of 7 and 3 of you are more than happy with the set up that works for you.

You've suggested changes in his work pattern and he's dismissed them out of hand. He doesn't go and pick the girls up so that he can spend some time in the car with them. He's really not doing anything to change the situation is he?

Having a go at DD1 because he didn't hear her say good morning is bloody pathetic!

I think there is more to this than a fully functioning man having to switch a light on by himself and heat some food up.

toomuchlaundry · 16/02/2023 09:17

He doesn’t sound great but with respect to finishing work at 5, DH does a mixture of WFH and working in the office (40 minutes commute). His official finish time is 5.30 but even on his WFH days it is rare to see him before 6.30.

Figmentof · 16/02/2023 09:18

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 08:03

What changes should the OP make? Stop allowing the children to do their hobby? Why can’t the DH make some changes if he’s the one who is unhappy? Why is it down to the OP to do it all?

I am not suggesting it is all done to the OP. I am suggesting that as a family member is unhappy, they could discuss it with a view to making changes. Would you not want to try and make a family member happy? OP seems very rigid in her routines.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 09:18

Tbf my kids still come and say goodnight to me and dh and they are late teens. Even the two at uni come and say goodnight when they are at home! It's nice!

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 09:18

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 09:10

I imagine, like for most people, the house is also fairly cold when the OP is working from home as most people can’t afford to heat their houses all day. I work from home and the heating is only on when my children are here.

Why are you making separate meals ? We have a gluten free family member so we all eat gluten free noodles etc.

That is completely bonkers. What if your teen decides t go vegan, must the whole family then eat vegan? gluten free costs loads more, it would be crazy to buy it for everyone if only one person needs it.