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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
Notonthestairs · 16/02/2023 08:50

"You say you’re happier spending less time with your DH."

No. She said she was enjoying her hobbies. 🙄

GrinAndVomit · 16/02/2023 08:51

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 08:48

From your update, I don’t see the point in changing anything tbh

You say you’re happier spending less time with your DH. Your current set up where you spend time doing your sport/running and spending minimal one-one time with your DH is what makes you happy. He would like it to change but you don’t. It is what is it.

Oh for fuck’s sake.

Why can the husband make the changes to make him happy?

Why must it be OP? Do you really not think she carries enough of the burden of their family life?

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 08:51

So what happens on the other four nights?

mightymam · 16/02/2023 08:51

He just isn't happy, and sadly doesn't seem to like to see me being happy.

Out of everything you've written OP, this is the bit that stuck out for me. He seems to be jealous of you and the life you've created for yourself and how you're close to your daughters. He sounds incredibly self-centred and quite frankly, intolerable.

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 08:52

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 08:04

You don't seem to spend any fun time together. It's great that you've found something you enjoy but do you ever have fun together? Kids sports can be all encompassing. You don't sound as though you even like him very much!

Agree with this

DontMakeMeShushYou · 16/02/2023 08:53

Figmentof · 16/02/2023 08:01

I don’t know why you have gone into all that detail about who makes dinner and packed lunches. It seems to me, that your husband is upset at the lack of family time he has. And actually yes it does sound miserable for him and if I were him I would be thinking I might as well not be there. I honestly cannot think why you wouldn’t try to make changes if a family member is unhappy. Do you want him to be miserable, sounds like you don’t really care to be honest.

It isn't the OP's responsibility to facilitate this though. He is lonely and upset at the lack of 'family time' because the other members of his family aren't exactly where he wants them at the exact time he wants them there. The OP isn't snatching them away from him to ensure he can't spend time with them. She is taking them to an activity which is important to them. It sounds like he's miserable because the rest of the family aren't. It sounds like he'd be a lot happier if everyone else was miserable and unable to do what they enjoy.

He sounds like a controlling man-child.

Duckingella · 16/02/2023 08:53

Doliveira · 15/02/2023 14:00

Why does it take him an hour to get home from work?

apart from that, my suggestion is to do your food shopping online and your husband come to where you drop dds off, meet you in the pub for a glass of wine and a chat in the saved time.

It doesn't;if he ensures he's home late enough he doesn't have to cook dinner/be involved if helping to parent his own kids and share the taking the kids to activities duties.

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 08:53

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 08:48

From your update, I don’t see the point in changing anything tbh

You say you’re happier spending less time with your DH. Your current set up where you spend time doing your sport/running and spending minimal one-one time with your DH is what makes you happy. He would like it to change but you don’t. It is what is it.

She spends 4 nights a week plus weekends with him. That’s not ‘minimal’. She is happy doing her hobby, which is a good thing.

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 08:54

GrinAndVomit · 16/02/2023 08:51

Oh for fuck’s sake.

Why can the husband make the changes to make him happy?

Why must it be OP? Do you really not think she carries enough of the burden of their family life?

Where is my post did I say the OP should make any changes? My post says exactly the opposite 🙄

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 08:55

Getting home at 6pm is not "late".

LookItsMeAgain · 16/02/2023 08:55

@legworker - I had my suspicions that it was going to spill over and your child(ren) were going to bear the brunt of one of his issues.

My advice is to have a serious one to one chat (where neither side gets to get up and walk away if they don't like what they hear) about how he is expecting you to 'fix' this issue that he sees as an issue but you're managing to plough on through.

So he comes home to a dark house that is difficult to heat? Then he turns on the lights when he arrives. It's not good for the environment to leave lights on when there is no one around.

Also, he doesn't like telling his boss that he must leave at 5pm but he can tell you that he won't be home until at least 6pm and then go on at you for the issues that he sees as issues - messy kitchen because you've just had to eat and run? Feck that for a game of soldiers. He has a discussion with his boss about his working hours as they are impacting on his family life. Surely the issue there is productivity and not presenteeism? If he's getting the job done and it's done by 5pm, he leaves for the day.

He is coming across as a dick because so far, I can't see any redeeming features/values that he is bringing to the table here. If he wants to be part of the family and get his daughters and children to talk to him about their day, he has to involve himself. It doesn't come with a gilt edged invitation, he just knuckles down and gets stuck in. If he doesn't, before he realises it, the kids will be grown up and will have left and it's very likely that you will leave too because, no matter how much you loved him at a time in the past, that too can fade and you'll probably be more content and more free in your own company. He could turn into quite a bitter old man if he doesn't get a grip on himself at this stage.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 08:56

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 08:52

Agree with this

Well he doesn't sound like there's much to like. Moaning, lazy and insecure.

GrinAndVomit · 16/02/2023 08:57

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 08:54

Where is my post did I say the OP should make any changes? My post says exactly the opposite 🙄

He would like it to change but you don’t.

Blip · 16/02/2023 08:57

Your DH doesn't sound like a team player within your household. I would insist that one night a week he takes the kids to sport for starters.

If his job cannot accommodate family life maybe he needs to look for another one?

We usually have a family planning meeting on Saturday mornings to create a meal plan together and make sure we all know who is doing what and when.

Can the kids wash up after you eat?

Crumpleton · 16/02/2023 08:58

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 08:19

I have suggested that she encourage him to watch and pick up the kids once a week. This, and sharing lifts with other parents worked well for us.

@Sadlifter that's the problem you found a solution...
MN's don't always like solutions..

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 08:58

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 08:53

She spends 4 nights a week plus weekends with him. That’s not ‘minimal’. She is happy doing her hobby, which is a good thing.

Where are the children on those nights that she is spending time with him. Have i missed one of OP’s posts?

Anyway my point again is OP is happy with her current set up. She shouldn’t change anything as she clearly doesn’t want to. She might end up being as miserable as her DH…

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 08:59

Basically if the four evenings they spend together are happy and mutually appreciated they wouldn't have this problem. Presumably the OP doesn't want a divorce, so perhaps a bit of compromise and flexibility might help. But I understand nuance isn't a big thing on mumsnet.

Perhaps OP and her dh could at least get a cleaner/food delivered/lift share so OP isn't shouldering too much.

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 09:00

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 08:58

Where are the children on those nights that she is spending time with him. Have i missed one of OP’s posts?

Anyway my point again is OP is happy with her current set up. She shouldn’t change anything as she clearly doesn’t want to. She might end up being as miserable as her DH…

Where everyone else’s children are I guess… at their home. We have no childcare so DH and I haven’t had a night out (or in) alone for 5 years, but that doesn’t mean we’re not spending quality time together.

Comtesse · 16/02/2023 09:00

It’s 2 nights a week! If he came home before 6pm this would not be an issue! HIBU.

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 09:01

GrinAndVomit · 16/02/2023 08:57

He would like it to change but you don’t.

And? Does OP want to change her current routine?

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 09:01

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 08:58

Where are the children on those nights that she is spending time with him. Have i missed one of OP’s posts?

Anyway my point again is OP is happy with her current set up. She shouldn’t change anything as she clearly doesn’t want to. She might end up being as miserable as her DH…

They all eat together. Which is allegedly what the DH wants. I imagine they then disperse around the house, because, you know, they live there. If the DH wants utterly uninterrupted time with his wife in an empty house, he might need to have thought about that before having kids with her. Or he could arrange a childminder and take her out? Seriously what is it you think the DH is asking for here, and do you think it is reasonable of him to expect it?

GrinAndVomit · 16/02/2023 09:02

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 09:01

And? Does OP want to change her current routine?

You’re putting the responsibility on her.
If he wants it to change, then he should change it.

DontMakeMeShushYou · 16/02/2023 09:02

SaySomethingMan · 16/02/2023 08:48

From your update, I don’t see the point in changing anything tbh

You say you’re happier spending less time with your DH. Your current set up where you spend time doing your sport/running and spending minimal one-one time with your DH is what makes you happy. He would like it to change but you don’t. It is what is it.

Minimal? They spend 2 evenings and the whole weekend together by the sound of things. If that isn't enough for him, he could pull his finger out at work and finish on time to get home earlier. Or he could grow a pair and stop staying late because 'it's expected' by his boss. Sounds like he'd rather stay at work late sucking up to his boss than go home and spend time with his family.

Ginmonkeyagain · 16/02/2023 09:03

He sounds like a moaner. We don't have children but Mr Monkey and I have not seen each other to talk to since Tuesday lunctime - he is marathon training, my work is crazy and he has started a new job with different shift patterns. This happens. We'll carve out some time at the weekend to see each other.

Schnooze · 16/02/2023 09:03

He could work till 7 one night to please his sexist boss, then leave at 5 one night. Bingo. Solves two lonely nights in one.