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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
Mangogogogo · 16/02/2023 08:05

Very eye opening that a man says he’s feeling down about something and everyone calls him a baby. I wonder why male suicide is so high 🤔

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 08:06

Mangogogogo · 16/02/2023 08:05

Very eye opening that a man says he’s feeling down about something and everyone calls him a baby. I wonder why male suicide is so high 🤔

He’s feeling down about something they he has the power to change.

C8H10N4O2 · 16/02/2023 08:07

legworker · 16/02/2023 07:56

And he's effectively told me to get to the bottom of the issues with DD1. I've told him that they're his issues and he needs to parent this one. He says I don't "back him up" and I've stated that I won't take his side if I don't agree with it (I don't think DD1 has done anything wrong). More 1950s housewife vibe. He is looking for obedience from me.

You need to think long and hard about life after the children. He is not going to change in his 50s.

You say he "has" to be at work until after five every day. Why? Why is it always women who sometimes manage to arrange that on specific days of the week they will leave on time whilst men "must" stay? Women have grumpy old fashioned bosses as well.

What actually stops him ensuring that one regular night a week he leaves on time and joins the sport to support his kids or does the shopping or gods forbid - does a bit of bloody housework?

Is this what you want for the next 40 years? To be the default person to do everything he doesn't want to do? Because if it isn't what you want, then you need to start changing things now.

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 08:09

Very eye opening that so many women are willing to to put men first at all times and think all other women should do the same

It's pathetic

Op you are teaching your daughters this. By allowing him to treat you like a servant and to speak to them in a way that shows he only views them as things there to make him feel better and to do as he says. He doesn't just want you obedient, he wants them obedient too

Stop letting him away with it.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 08:09

And getting home at 6pm is not late. It's quite a normal time to get home. I really think the solution is to let go of the kids training one night and let him go and watch then pick them up, even if you think it's a waste of petrol. At least he's more involved. Personally I'd drop them then go home and cook something nice for the two of us to eat when he gets back with them, or try and find another sports mum to share the driving with.

Not really sure why you'd not try and make an effort to make him feel less miserable tbh. You are married, not work colleagues.

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 08:11

@Sadlifter

Have you actually read any of the thread?

Should the op wear a pretty ribbon in her hair while she does everything while he does fuck all?

alwayscheery · 16/02/2023 08:12

Why should you go home to a chilly empty house with washing up in the sink?
I suggest he washes up, lights the fire and puts a few welcoming lamps on.
You have been carrying the load for so long he no longer appreciates your efforts .
Time for your DH to step up.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 08:12

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 08:09

Very eye opening that so many women are willing to to put men first at all times and think all other women should do the same

It's pathetic

Op you are teaching your daughters this. By allowing him to treat you like a servant and to speak to them in a way that shows he only views them as things there to make him feel better and to do as he says. He doesn't just want you obedient, he wants them obedient too

Stop letting him away with it.

Actually what I've shown my dds is that it's lovely to be in a relationship where both their mum and dad are happy and supportive of each other. If one of my kids was unhappy, I'd think about ways to improve that - same with my husband. I've managed to raise 4 dcs, two of whom were very successful in sports.

Eating at 5 sounds miserable.

deeperthanallroses · 16/02/2023 08:12

@Sadlifter why can’t he try? There are plenty of things he can do, why isn’t he trying to change something, why is it her job? If she said I’m miserable with how this is all working right now, do you think he would spring into action to fix it? I would bet money this would not happen. The op is his wife not his service human.

jeaux90 · 16/02/2023 08:12

My take on this is he should apply his practical skills to insulating your home better.

And you are doing too much.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 08:13

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 08:11

@Sadlifter

Have you actually read any of the thread?

Should the op wear a pretty ribbon in her hair while she does everything while he does fuck all?

And I've given some ideas - but they've been rubbished as a waste of petrol

If the OP doesn't want to solve it, she doesn't have to 🤷‍♀️

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 08:14

@Sadlifter

But neither the op or the kids are miserable

Eating at 5 a few nights a week is fine. God only knows how any of you would cope with shift work!

The oh does nothing for them and expects them to cater to his every whim?

Absolutely not.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 08:15

deeperthanallroses · 16/02/2023 08:12

@Sadlifter why can’t he try? There are plenty of things he can do, why isn’t he trying to change something, why is it her job? If she said I’m miserable with how this is all working right now, do you think he would spring into action to fix it? I would bet money this would not happen. The op is his wife not his service human.

Then get him to go and watch training and pick the kids up once a week!

alwayscheery · 16/02/2023 08:15

latetothefisting · 15/02/2023 14:01

if he's moaning about the house being cold suggest he runs the hoover over while youre out to warm himself up!

GrinGrin

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 08:16

Or just divorce him and crack on with the kids swimming or whatever until they inevitably get sick of it.

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 08:16

@Sadlifter

Why is it her responsibility to fix and not his?

It's him who his contributing very little to family life

Why do you think that's OK? And should be pandered to?

GrinAndVomit · 16/02/2023 08:17

Oh @Sadlifter
Your posts make me really sad

Theelephantinthecastle · 16/02/2023 08:18

I don't really understand what it is that he actually wants. Has he told you what changes he would like to see?

I do understand why he might feel pushed out but the obvious ways around that involve him making some changes - e.g. one day a week he could leave the office at 5 sharp (as others have said, women manage this all the time) to do the activity runs or come and join you one evening.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 08:19

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 08:16

@Sadlifter

Why is it her responsibility to fix and not his?

It's him who his contributing very little to family life

Why do you think that's OK? And should be pandered to?

I have suggested that she encourage him to watch and pick up the kids once a week. This, and sharing lifts with other parents worked well for us.

DoNotGetADog · 16/02/2023 08:20

5pm is incredibly early for adults to be having dinner. Even 6pm is very early imo.

I would rather give the kids their tea at 5pm and have something with DH at 9pm.

Also, I don’t have incredibly high standards, but leaving items that need to be washed up by hand next to the sink for “a few days” is pretty gross.

GrinAndVomit · 16/02/2023 08:21

DoNotGetADog · 16/02/2023 08:20

5pm is incredibly early for adults to be having dinner. Even 6pm is very early imo.

I would rather give the kids their tea at 5pm and have something with DH at 9pm.

Also, I don’t have incredibly high standards, but leaving items that need to be washed up by hand next to the sink for “a few days” is pretty gross.

OP has made absolutely no indication at all that 5pm is too early for her to eat or that it is in any way a problem for her.

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 08:21

GrinAndVomit · 16/02/2023 08:17

Oh @Sadlifter
Your posts make me really sad

Lol! Don't be sad for me! Have fabulous happy marriage and four lovely kids, all sporty in their own way. Also my own job which I love, a cleaner and a few hobbies! As does dh!

Botw1 · 16/02/2023 08:22

@Sadlifter

Well no what you initially said was she should stop doing anything he doesn't like and be there to make his dinner every night

Im sure she said she has asked him to share the club runs, even to join the club

He said no.

DoNotGetADog · 16/02/2023 08:24

GrinAndVomit · 16/02/2023 08:21

OP has made absolutely no indication at all that 5pm is too early for her to eat or that it is in any way a problem for her.

I didn’t say she had! But the problem is that her DH has to eat on his own all the time and they never have meals together, because the OP is eating with the kids at 5pm. So that would be a solution.

Notonthestairs · 16/02/2023 08:25

"5pm is incredibly early for adults to be having dinner. Even 6pm is very early imo. "

The Op is playing sport too. Are you suggesting she drop her hobbies?