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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
Dixiechickonhols · 15/02/2023 22:37

legworker · 15/02/2023 22:35

Oh lordy. I've just come on to see if anyone has replied.

Guessing it was one of your out til 9pm days 😆

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/02/2023 22:53

legworker · 15/02/2023 22:35

Oh lordy. I've just come on to see if anyone has replied.

Hardly anyone.

Grin
legworker · 15/02/2023 23:24

I'm sorry that the OP was so long. Thanks to all who have taken the time to read and comment.

Clarifications:
He has a "9-5" job but doesn't just get to clock off at 5. So he's often home after 6 simply because he is working late trying to get stuff done. I have suggested going in earlier so he can leave earlier, but he claims that an early start won't result in an earlier finish (boss seems quite old-fashioned and a bit of a workaholic, and expects everyone in the office until at least 5.30pm). I've also suggested working from home, even just for the afternoon, so he could take a 30 min break for family tea time and then go back to his desk, but he has rejected this suggestion also. I do have some sympathy - this job is a relatively new role - but equally I've had years and years of having to be mega strict with my hours to manage school drop offs and pick ups. I supported him in taking on this latest role as it seemed a great opportunity. But I would never have taken on a role where I couldn't make the hours work for the family.

The cold house issue is a bit of a red herring really, sorry. The house is just old, and hard to get warm. There isn't an easy fix but we're working on it (project house). I generally turn all the lights off when we leave but I like the suggestion of leaving them on when we leave, so it's more welcoming when he gets home.

Moving house isn't an option. It's a rural area and we're on the outskirts of a small town. The kids walk to school, but we drive into town for shopping and sport, as it's impractical to walk that far there and back, particularly late at night. Even people who are very central in the town will drive to and from the hobbies that we do. It's a 6 minute drive each way.

The routine as it stands suits me. My life is mega busy, but I thrive on that. I shop twice a week because that works for us. I find it easier doing two smaller shops versus one big one. I am also OK with the division of labour. He doesn't do so much day to day, but he does pull his weight within the family team. But I don't appreciate the complaining about the state of the house, as I feel it really undermines my efforts, and I feel really unappreciated.

I take the DDs to their hobbies for two reasons: firstly DH is rarely back in time to take them anyway; and secondly because I now use their training time for my own sport. Last year, I was able to return to train with a club that I was a member of before children, as the timing now works with the kids' training times. I've only ever managed to make time for myself during the kids' activities as I've never otherwise had any respite. Being at this club is making me really happy. But DH sees me choosing this club over evenings with him. I am, but I don't think this is unreasonable. I've invited him to join me at this club (ironically he was a member as a teen), but he says he's not interested.

We are mid 40s, and the grumpiness is more recent! There are still glimmers of the young man I fell in love with, but they are less and less frequent. He just isn't happy, and sadly doesn't seem to like to see me being happy.

OP posts:
gamerchick · 15/02/2023 23:27

Have you asked him what he thinks the solution is OP?

Botw1 · 15/02/2023 23:27

So another long explanation that amounts to my dh is a selfish baby who needs me to mother him?

It's very telling that you're only 'allowed' time to yourself if it coincides with taking the kids out and even then he is moaning about it.

Fuck that

legworker · 15/02/2023 23:31

Buenosfairies211 · 15/02/2023 14:06

Dance mum here. When DC do sport then the evening schedule has to work around that. Surely your DH is enough of a grown up to understand that? It doesn't last forever. I don't understand however why you are doing all the food shopping, cooking, most of the cleaning, all the school admin and the ferrying to and from extra curricular activities? Why isn't your DH getting home in time to drive the DC to their sport sessions at 6 pm some of the time?

I would show your dh this thread op. I would also suggest that he is pushing himself out of family life by not getting stuck in.

@buenosfairies211 thanks - you get me as a sport mum. Their sports are a big part of their lives, it's a huge positive and they are achieving great things. I'm so proud of them. I think DH is too, and I wish he would get more stuck in.

I'm worried about showing him this thread however. There seem to be a lot of folk who think he's a dick. I'm also worried that he'll think I've misrepresented him.

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legworker · 15/02/2023 23:34

converseandjeans · 15/02/2023 14:09

Why isn't he home until 6? He could get home earlier, eat with you & do the sport run once a week.

He's lucky the girls still want to do that much sport. Would he prefer them to be on Snapchat or watching Netflix?

Just have family time on say a Friday night & Sunday lunch?

We do this (family time on the mid-week day off, although DDs generally have homework to do then, plus Saturday and Sunday evenings). As some days are so busy, I really appreciate the odd night in front of the TV.

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TiaI · 15/02/2023 23:40

Surely DH has to do some house work. Washing up for example

legworker · 15/02/2023 23:41

Notcontent · 15/02/2023 14:28

He needs to realise that this is just how family life is sometimes and it’s only going to be for a few years. My dd used to do sport training several times a week and it was very busy. That’s what she wanted to do so things had to work around that. It was quite normal among all the other families we knew. There is that time period - often between the ages of 9 and 15 or so, when some children are very busy with extra curricular activities - and then it’s over! I kind of miss it…. Maybe your DH could get more involved with that?

So true. I am embracing the stage of life we are at, rather than trying to fight it. My eldest may leave home in 3 1/2 years. In a couple of years, the older one may drive her and her sister down to training. We had kids relatively young so may be empty nesters by 50. That will hopefully give us decades of time to spend together, which I'm really looking forward to (as long as he shifts the grump).

OP posts:
Crumpleton · 15/02/2023 23:42

I'm worried about showing him this thread however. There seem to be a lot of folk who think he's a dick. I'm also worried that he'll think I've misrepresented him.

People only think he's a dick because
A...That's the way you've portrayed him.
B... They Cherry pick bits of a post.
C.... It's the go to MN anti men answer.
D....He may well be.

legworker · 15/02/2023 23:43

Blondewithredlips · 15/02/2023 14:29

But surely there is a compromise? Dinner at 1710? DH can get home for that time if finishes work at 1700 and works 10 minutes a day.

Is there anything else going on? Why is he home 50 minutes late? Being grumpy and critical can be a worrying sign in my experience. Cherchez la femme.

I don't think he's having an affair.

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deeperthanallroses · 15/02/2023 23:47

Just to pick one thing, he has an evening where he spends a couple of hours on sport and you take the family load. Plus he has the odd match. You now after years of not have some sport in the evening, but you don’t ask him to pick up any of the family load so you can do this. He is still grumpy about your sport and sees you as picking it over him?? Doesn’t that sound like a dick way to think to you? He’s special and important and his sport matters but if you want to do sport you are selfish and uncommitted to the marriage, I mean wtf. Offer him the option of quitting his sport and spending some time with you then, oe if he doesn’t want to do that then he can never ever being grumpy at you about daring to treat yourself as someone who matters too.

JarByTheDoor · 15/02/2023 23:51

Haven't RTFT, only OP's posts and a skim of a couple of pages, so I'm sorry if this has already been comprehensively covered and dealt with, but:

To me it feels as though mentioning the coldness of the house when he gets in might be as much about its metaphorical qualities as anything else. He sounds like someone who's drifting out of the family a bit, floating away from the warmth of the family unit and the responsibilities and rewards of close involvement, and into an emotionally and relationally colder orbit. He can see that OP and the DC are going out to places together, eating together, participating in the chores and activities that keep a household going, and that he's become set apart from all this. If that's how he feels I don't think this is OP's fault, and he's certainly played his own part in becoming somewhat peripheral to his own family, but it's a position that's hard to work out how to come back from unless the central cluster is actively drawing you into the warmth.

legworker · 16/02/2023 00:09

deveronvalley · 15/02/2023 15:29

I think you sound really well-organised and energetic, you've got it all under control. I think your husband feels like a spare part. Give him some jobs to do. I also have a kid that does a lot of sports and everything is run with military precision so I get how you end up like this. My husband claims to have no idea what's going on (he could look at the calendar) and rather sadly once said he felt pushed out of his own family. Now I actively have to think "actually, DH could do that" and it's worked out well. I also noticed that driving my son to and from everything myself meant that he would tell me all the news and then not tell his Dad anything, ever! Those times in the car are often bonding moments when your kid tells you how things went and my DH really was never getting any of that. So there's me and DS, thick as thieves and DH feeling even more left out. I don't think this is about meals and washing up :)

I think you've hit the nail on the head here. This is exactly us, down to the DH not knowing what is going on (we have Google Calendar, a paper calendar in the kitchen and a magnetic whiteboard on the fridge with that week's "out of routine" activities on, transposed from the paper calendar). I think DH is overwhelmed by it all.

I chat loads to my kids every day: in the kitchen in the morning before school, in the kitchen after school when they get in and come for a snack, when they get in from training, in their rooms at bedtime. We don't chat quite so much in the car as they are generally together, and I find they open up with one-on-one time. DH isn't home when they get in from school, but he is around at other times but doesn't always make the effort with them (he seems to think it should be the other way round e.g. he gets cross if they don't come to say goodnight, rather than being aware of when they are going to bed and so going to say goodnight to them in their rooms, which is what I do).

OP posts:
legworker · 16/02/2023 00:27

App keeps crashing on me now, so haven't got to the end of all responses. Will be back tomorrow. Thanks so much everyone.

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Schnooze · 16/02/2023 00:45

Give him one night and one supermarket shop that he has to be home for and is totally responsible for.

He can get home for one night. You’ve had to juggle hours, so can he.

He’ll then appreciate it’s no bed of roses for you and you get a bonus night in to yourself.

StClare101 · 16/02/2023 01:23

He could get home at the right time to eat with you all, and also help with the taxi duties for the kids. Otherwise he can suck it up!!

What does he think? That the kids shouldn’t do sport to save his precious feelings??

gumball37 · 16/02/2023 03:23

That's an awful lot of words to say "my husband is shit at helping around the house yet blames me for things not being perfect".

legworker · 16/02/2023 07:53

Help. There is definitely more to this that needs unpacking. He's just blown up at DD1 about not responding to his "Good morning." DD1 says she said "hi." Now DH is going on about her not looking him, not wanting to speak to him. There are underlying issues here with perceived favourism of DD2 (who is more like him character-wise).

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legworker · 16/02/2023 07:56

And he's effectively told me to get to the bottom of the issues with DD1. I've told him that they're his issues and he needs to parent this one. He says I don't "back him up" and I've stated that I won't take his side if I don't agree with it (I don't think DD1 has done anything wrong). More 1950s housewife vibe. He is looking for obedience from me.

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GrinAndVomit · 16/02/2023 07:58

legworker · 16/02/2023 07:53

Help. There is definitely more to this that needs unpacking. He's just blown up at DD1 about not responding to his "Good morning." DD1 says she said "hi." Now DH is going on about her not looking him, not wanting to speak to him. There are underlying issues here with perceived favourism of DD2 (who is more like him character-wise).

Tell him in no uncertain terms how unhappy he’s making the house. He needs to speak to someone. He might be having a midlife crisis. He might be miserable in his new job. He needs to sort this OP. Don’t take this on as your responsibility.

Figmentof · 16/02/2023 08:01

I don’t know why you have gone into all that detail about who makes dinner and packed lunches. It seems to me, that your husband is upset at the lack of family time he has. And actually yes it does sound miserable for him and if I were him I would be thinking I might as well not be there. I honestly cannot think why you wouldn’t try to make changes if a family member is unhappy. Do you want him to be miserable, sounds like you don’t really care to be honest.

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 08:03

Figmentof · 16/02/2023 08:01

I don’t know why you have gone into all that detail about who makes dinner and packed lunches. It seems to me, that your husband is upset at the lack of family time he has. And actually yes it does sound miserable for him and if I were him I would be thinking I might as well not be there. I honestly cannot think why you wouldn’t try to make changes if a family member is unhappy. Do you want him to be miserable, sounds like you don’t really care to be honest.

What changes should the OP make? Stop allowing the children to do their hobby? Why can’t the DH make some changes if he’s the one who is unhappy? Why is it down to the OP to do it all?

Sadlifter · 16/02/2023 08:04

You don't seem to spend any fun time together. It's great that you've found something you enjoy but do you ever have fun together? Kids sports can be all encompassing. You don't sound as though you even like him very much!

Goodadvice1980 · 16/02/2023 08:05

The more you post OP the more it seems you’d have a happier life & household if he moved out for a while. He sounds a real fun sponge. He doesn’t want you to enjoy a hobby!

When I read posts like this I wonder how woman stay with these miserable men.