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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
mewkins · 15/02/2023 20:22

Hubblebubble · 15/02/2023 18:51

This entire thread makes me grateful to be a single parent. Honestly, the posters on here pandering to this grown adult man's inability to wash a dish or turn up the thermostat.

Me too 😆 to be fair though my exh does about 800pc more parenting and helpful running around after the kids than the OP's !

mistlethrush · 15/02/2023 20:26

Based on your timings, DH could be home at 5.15 at the latest - which would mean that you could eat very slightly later, have food ready, he could eat it and one of the evenings take the DDs to their sports and do the shopping whilst he was out. That way he'd get to eat food with you, wouldn't be home alone 'in the cold' and would be taking part in the family life of waiting around for children outside their various events. This would no doubt give you plenty of time to wash the few dishes that you've not managed the rest of the week (no thanks to him) and have a nice sit down to do some of your own things rather than wait in the cold for the children to finish!

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 20:28

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/02/2023 20:13

Are a few posters really suggesting the girls, who are doing happy, healthy, positive things, stop doing some of them so their father can have them home as support humans? Because he's sad, three nights a week.

Really?

Exactly. Honestly some people never cease to amaze me.

Elsanore · 15/02/2023 20:28

I cannot contribute until we have more info about why it takes him over an hour to do 10 min commute.

Crumpleton · 15/02/2023 20:31

mistlethrush · 15/02/2023 20:26

Based on your timings, DH could be home at 5.15 at the latest - which would mean that you could eat very slightly later, have food ready, he could eat it and one of the evenings take the DDs to their sports and do the shopping whilst he was out. That way he'd get to eat food with you, wouldn't be home alone 'in the cold' and would be taking part in the family life of waiting around for children outside their various events. This would no doubt give you plenty of time to wash the few dishes that you've not managed the rest of the week (no thanks to him) and have a nice sit down to do some of your own things rather than wait in the cold for the children to finish!

OP doesn't wait in the cold.
She does a food shop plus meeting up with friends/her own activities on these days.

StarsSand · 15/02/2023 20:40

Pathetic man.

You're run off your feet giving your family a good life and he's sulking at having to occasionally do the dishes and make his own tea.

Ignore him.

ChodeOfChodeBall · 15/02/2023 20:40

Some people are determined to pick holes. My own reference to "jolly family time" has been taken by someone to suggest that this what the OP is actually doing. My point was that this is not what she is doing.

@legworker The overwhelming majority of replies are along the lines of "he's an arse". I am not sure it's helpful at this point to finger-point. Neither of you is wrong. The fact is: your husband is telling you something, and at this point, you both have to work out whether or not you want to remain married. If you do, you need to talk honestly to one another about how you feel, and hammer out a solution. This is not easy, but it is better than affairs/divorce, because that is what is down the line if you can't resolve it.

My own advice would be to try to resolve it. This will take a bit of movement from both of you. You will have to relinquish control of your DDs and the independent life which you have forged without him. He will have to accept that he needs either to change his working pattern in order to accommodate your DDs' schedules (meaning he has to come home earlier and take them to their activities on some nights), or that this is a temporary phase while your DDs are the ages they are and do these particular activities, and that the nature of his work means he can't come home to a family supper every night.

But you both have to be very honest about this if you want to get anywhere. He has to be honest about what he's actually expecting of someone who works and facilitates the children's lives, and you have to be honest about whether you're actually happy to hand over some of the control to him.

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/02/2023 20:45

You will have to relinquish control of your DDs and the independent life which you have forged without him.

What does this look like in practical terms?

She gives up time with friends, working out or shopping? On the only three nights a week she does it. Or tells the girls they can't have activities which are healthy and they enjoy. I'd argue that she's already compromising. Sometimes one person needs to compromise because the other person already has.

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 20:45

You will have to relinquish control of your DDs and the independent life which you have forged without him

this is the bit I don’t understand. The only reason the OP is doing what she’s doing (taking the DC to their activity) is because her husband isn’t there to do it. It’s not her being controlling over anything, she does it because she has to. You seem to think the OP is doing it all herself out of choice. She’s doing it herself because she’s the only one there to do it.

mewkins · 15/02/2023 20:52

If she did relinquish control I bet it would ALL go to shit as who would be there actually keeping the household going? Certainly not him. He may want control but he doesn't want to do the donkey work.

HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 15/02/2023 20:55

mistlethrush · 15/02/2023 20:26

Based on your timings, DH could be home at 5.15 at the latest - which would mean that you could eat very slightly later, have food ready, he could eat it and one of the evenings take the DDs to their sports and do the shopping whilst he was out. That way he'd get to eat food with you, wouldn't be home alone 'in the cold' and would be taking part in the family life of waiting around for children outside their various events. This would no doubt give you plenty of time to wash the few dishes that you've not managed the rest of the week (no thanks to him) and have a nice sit down to do some of your own things rather than wait in the cold for the children to finish!

I can't believe this. OP should organise things so that after running herself ragged she can DO THE DISHES?!

HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 15/02/2023 20:57

BTW if tonight is one of OP's "home at 9pm" nights she's got 14 pages (so far) to read when she gets in. Although obvs she needs to attend to dirty/cold/hungry hubby's needs first eh? (FFS my dog is more self sufficient than this dickhead)

RachelGreeneGreep · 15/02/2023 20:57

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

He has a very sweet deal there, I must say. A lot of that stuff can't/ doesn't need to be done all year round, and in no way compares to the daily grind of housework.
If he pulled his weight in relation to housework and getting the girls to and from their activities, plus did the weekly shopping, it would leave him a lot less time for self pity and grumping, and would make your life easier too.

Dixiechickonhols · 15/02/2023 21:01

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 20:45

You will have to relinquish control of your DDs and the independent life which you have forged without him

this is the bit I don’t understand. The only reason the OP is doing what she’s doing (taking the DC to their activity) is because her husband isn’t there to do it. It’s not her being controlling over anything, she does it because she has to. You seem to think the OP is doing it all herself out of choice. She’s doing it herself because she’s the only one there to do it.

Exactly.

They need to leave at 6pm to get to activity 3 nights a week. Op’s the only parent there so she drives them. She’s not pushing him out.

If he wants to drive them then he needs to be there. Leave on time, alter hours like Op has done, his choice.

I’m sure Op would prefer some nights not rushing out door after work and making the tea.

ChodeOfChodeBall · 15/02/2023 21:02

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 20:45

You will have to relinquish control of your DDs and the independent life which you have forged without him

this is the bit I don’t understand. The only reason the OP is doing what she’s doing (taking the DC to their activity) is because her husband isn’t there to do it. It’s not her being controlling over anything, she does it because she has to. You seem to think the OP is doing it all herself out of choice. She’s doing it herself because she’s the only one there to do it.

Not at all. I just think that marriages develop particular dynamics, and one dynamic is that the mother (because it is normally the woman) feels that she does absolutely everything, all the time - but also gets to used to it that she doesn't actually want the other parent to wade in and take over. That was my experience, anyway - and, like all people on here, all I can do is base my comments on my own experience. I can also say from bitter experience that it is better to negotiate this stuff when you're still married than when you're divorced.

Fluffymule · 15/02/2023 21:04

Why isn't your 'lovely' husband making any effort to be part of family life, particularly his children's lives, buy sharing the 3 nights a week facilitation of their sporting activities?

Far from you 'pushing him out of family life' he seems to be self excluding by choosing not to be at home when his working day ends, and then leaving the grunt work of the kids activities to you.

Why is this a 'you' problem? Is he asking for lessons in how to wash up a few pots from the meal you prepared and cooked in his absence? Is he suggesting that the kids give up their activities to sooth his 'grumps'?

Seriously, give him the kick up the arse he needs and tell him to grow up and stop being so self-absorbed. If he isn't happy the solution lies with himself.

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 21:05

ChodeOfChodeBall · 15/02/2023 21:02

Not at all. I just think that marriages develop particular dynamics, and one dynamic is that the mother (because it is normally the woman) feels that she does absolutely everything, all the time - but also gets to used to it that she doesn't actually want the other parent to wade in and take over. That was my experience, anyway - and, like all people on here, all I can do is base my comments on my own experience. I can also say from bitter experience that it is better to negotiate this stuff when you're still married than when you're divorced.

Except the OP hasn’t once suggested she wouldn’t like him to ‘step in and take over’ with regards to ferrying the kids out to their activities 3 times a week. Chances are she’d love a quiet night at home while he did the ferrying, but that can’t happen as her DH is not home in time to take them.

CloakAndTin · 15/02/2023 21:08

Are you coming back OP?

mistlethrush · 15/02/2023 21:08

Crumpleton · 15/02/2023 20:31

OP doesn't wait in the cold.
She does a food shop plus meeting up with friends/her own activities on these days.

When I 'do the food shop' when I'm waiting around for DS to finish his activity at the other side of the town, I still end up waiting in the cold for him - it doesn't take me 2 hrs to do the food shop and I always end up sitting in the car for at least 15 mins (better than being late) which means, at this time of year, I wait in the cold. I have a blanket in the car for these occasions. I presumed that OP would also shop efficiently - she seems to manage to do everything else this way - so I think it's reasonable to assume that she probably has a similar problem to me on shopping days.

Dixiechickonhols · 15/02/2023 21:09

But he’s not said that. If he’d said I don’t think I’m seeing much of you and girls in week I’m going to put in to work 8-4 like you or make sure I leave bang on time on a Wednesday and take them then I’m sure Op wouldn’t have posted. Instead it was all about how it affects him.

CrapBucket · 15/02/2023 21:15

"Boo fucking hoo, my life is so hard - I don't have to lift a finger but my wife and kids are getting on with things"

Your DH is an adult, he chooses when to come home from work, and whether to be involved with the family- he chooses not to be and then moans about it.

Dixiechickonhols · 15/02/2023 21:17

She’s doing her own sports club x 2 and meet friend to run on night 3. Plus in addition to 3 exercise sessions she does a supermarket shop x 2. Multi tasking at its finest.
I do same one night - dd does her dance class, I do mine, makes perfect sense especially if the activity isn’t local.

GrinAndVomit · 15/02/2023 21:59

mistlethrush · 15/02/2023 21:08

When I 'do the food shop' when I'm waiting around for DS to finish his activity at the other side of the town, I still end up waiting in the cold for him - it doesn't take me 2 hrs to do the food shop and I always end up sitting in the car for at least 15 mins (better than being late) which means, at this time of year, I wait in the cold. I have a blanket in the car for these occasions. I presumed that OP would also shop efficiently - she seems to manage to do everything else this way - so I think it's reasonable to assume that she probably has a similar problem to me on shopping days.

Doesn’t your supermarket or leisure centre have a cafe in there or nearby?
Couldn’t you take a book and sit somewhere warm with a coffee instead?

PugInTheHouse · 15/02/2023 22:13

It's really tricky when the DCs are doing lots of sports, whilst the kids were younger I would feed them before their sports and then DH and I would eat afterwards together. I wouldn't have wanted DH to have eaten alone later, just seems odd to me. Now the kids are older we mostly all eat together whenever we are all in. No way would DH moan if this wasn't the case though.

legworker · 15/02/2023 22:35

Oh lordy. I've just come on to see if anyone has replied.

OP posts: