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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
2bazookas · 15/02/2023 17:53

DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea."

That's his own fault. He is the last to leave the house in the morning, (8.40, works 10 mins away) so before he goes to work he should clean up and wash up the breakfast stuff and set the heating timer to come on before his return home.

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 17:55

ChodeOfChodeBall · 15/02/2023 17:51

I'm not so sure it's as straightforward as 'he's an arse'.

It sounds a bit as if the OP is seeing herself and her daughters as the family, with their father being extraneous (useful merely for lawn mowing, car washing, house maintenance). Father feels left out, and therefore makes his point by leaving himself out even more.

This is where affairs start.

If the girls' father really wants family time, he needs to come home from work earlier to have an early dinner with the three of them. He could also, as pp have said, take the girls to their activities on certain nights.

However, the OP would have to be willing to let go of the reins a bit. Although she's clearly doing an awful lot, she could be choosing to do less. I did so much with and for my DC that I started to find my husband irrelevant and useless - because I was the only one who could time-keep and organise everyone properly (in my head, anyway).

FWIW, I suspect a lot of you don't live in big old, cold houses. There's no way they heat up. I've given up with the heating altogether because it makes fuck all difference.

Why does it seem like the OP sees herself and the girls as the ‘family’?? She’s just dropping the girls at their hobbies (like most parents do) and using the time before she has to pick them up to do chores for the household (food shopping) and exercising. I’m sure she’d be more than happy to relinquish the chores of ferrying to activities and food shopping to her DH 🤷🏻‍♀️. She’s only out on those evenings because she has to be, to get the DC to their activities and back. They’re not spending 3 jolly evenings a week socialising together without the DH.

LordEmsworth · 15/02/2023 17:55

"That's wonderful darling, it will be great for the kids to see more of you and understand that the work of looking after a family isn't solely the responsibility of women.
Will you be putting in a flexible working request to vary your hours and work from home more? Or will you just look to go part-time? That would really help me actually if you were able to do the cooking sometimes, we'll work out how to split the meal planning and food shopping.
It will be lovely to have you play an active role in your home and family."

Mojoj · 15/02/2023 17:58

Aw God love him. Poor baby with a wife that does everything and two daughters who sound perfect. He sounds pathetic and I wouldn't tolerate the moaning.

LookItsMeAgain · 15/02/2023 18:01

GrinAndVomit · 15/02/2023 17:37

He lives in the house, so if he thinks he's coming home to a dirty house, he can help to clean it, just as the kids should be helping to clean up after themselves and you clean up after yourself.

I agree with absolutely everything you’ve written but I thought this part was a bit misunderstood. I thought the pots were left by OP and DD because they have to rush out after eating. It’s possibly it’s me who has misunderstood though.

I wasn't seeing the pots/pans/dinner items as the 'dirt' and I might be guessing here but I don't think the OP's husband is either. I was thinking of dusting/vacuuming/polishing/general tidy up is what he would consider a 'dirty' house.

If it is the pots and pans from the dinner that is had before the kids and the OP have to dash out, wouldn't it be really nice and a kind thing for her to be able tor return to a 'clean' house by him popping the pots etc. into the dishwasher and washing the implements before the OP and the kids get home? He has all of this 'free' time to himself like???

All of the above being said, again, I'll come back to Point 2 and Point 5 in my earlier post. The DH has the issue here, not the OP so why is it up to the OP to try to find a fix for her DH? Isn't he capable of finding a solution for his own issue himself????

Merlott · 15/02/2023 18:02

"DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm."

🤔🕵‍♀️

wtf why are you the only one ferrying DC around? He could get back for 5.10 and do the ferrying and the cooking that you do?!

What's his actual beef because on the info given he's doing this to himself.

realdadproject · 15/02/2023 18:05

Sounds like you all have very busy schedules, can you not tell him what you write here in person and solve it like grown ups? Now it's all over twitter...

UWhatNow · 15/02/2023 18:05

It reminds me of that 1950s advice for housewives about looking pretty for their husbands when they come home, tidy up and give him a home-cooked meal and don’t go on about your day because ‘he doesn’t want to be bothered by that…’

God forbid a male would have to come home and put the heating on, flick a few light switches and do a bit of washing up. My heart bleeds for him. 🙄

Sussexlass84 · 15/02/2023 18:06

YANBU

I'm assuming that DH hasn't offered a solution to this, but just moaned?

Can I ask why he doesn't get home until 6pm, if he works so close to home?

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 18:07

realdadproject · 15/02/2023 18:05

Sounds like you all have very busy schedules, can you not tell him what you write here in person and solve it like grown ups? Now it's all over twitter...

Surely that would apply to about 90% of the posts on this site? People are looking for external advice.
Who has put it on Twitter?

ItchyBillco · 15/02/2023 18:08

He sounds like a petulant child. He’s got it so easy.

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 18:09

UWhatNow · 15/02/2023 18:05

It reminds me of that 1950s advice for housewives about looking pretty for their husbands when they come home, tidy up and give him a home-cooked meal and don’t go on about your day because ‘he doesn’t want to be bothered by that…’

God forbid a male would have to come home and put the heating on, flick a few light switches and do a bit of washing up. My heart bleeds for him. 🙄

Quite. I take my children to an activity on a Saturday morning (and we go for a hot chocolate afterwards). Instead of DH moaning about being left out, we come home to a spotless house and lunch cooked so that we can enjoy the rest of the day together as a family.

realdadproject · 15/02/2023 18:11

mumsnet, with quotes

Dixiechickonhols · 15/02/2023 18:12

Op says she’s working from home 8-4, 4 days so presumably house is at a habitable temperature then. He’s in at 6pm so I don’t see how it’s suddenly got so cold. If he likes it warmer than Op he can turn temp up on thermostat.
Dirty? Unless Op is doing a dirty wfh job then house will be in condition he left just a few pots on side from cooking tea.

ChodeOfChodeBall · 15/02/2023 18:15

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 17:55

Why does it seem like the OP sees herself and the girls as the ‘family’?? She’s just dropping the girls at their hobbies (like most parents do) and using the time before she has to pick them up to do chores for the household (food shopping) and exercising. I’m sure she’d be more than happy to relinquish the chores of ferrying to activities and food shopping to her DH 🤷🏻‍♀️. She’s only out on those evenings because she has to be, to get the DC to their activities and back. They’re not spending 3 jolly evenings a week socialising together without the DH.

You're quite right that they're not having a jolly family time without him. But the OP's life and those of her girls are interwoven in such a way that her husband could quite easily feel like the spare prick at the wedding. She's showing him that they don't need him. She's also showing him that she prefers exercise and running with a friend to doing things with him (because they could presumably come up with a solution whereby they spend more time together). I'm not at all blaming her for that - I found many reasons not to go home to a sulky man. Her husband is not doing anything to convince her otherwise, but these things are very subtle. Eventually, what happens is that the person who feels pushed out finds someone who suddenly makes them feel special and important. He's a sideline in his own family at the moment. He and the OP both need to find ways to change this - if that's what she actually wants - before it all goes seriously pear-shaped. Been there, done that.

Branster · 15/02/2023 18:18

A very long OP so didn't read every single sentence.

I can only offer advice from personal experience because all the after school clubs is a bug chunk of mist afternoon/evenings plus additional children sharing lifts. I actually enjoy it but have to be super organised with dinner.
Main plan is my own children eat early, before activities, sometimes joined by friends who tag along for a lift.
I eat later with DH. Could be the same meal or something different but it is always, at least, semi prepared whilst the children are eating. I also clear most of the dishes and kitchen during the time children are eating.
Sometimes I have time to come home during the activities and I spend that time clearing at the speed of light at home or doing a quick supermarket shop.
It's a lot of organising having to loosely plan next day's evening meals.
However I really like taking DCs to activities and I also like, actually prefer, having dinner with DH.

Not sure about coming home to a cold house other than your DH needs to sort out remote heating that he can turn on before returning home if it bothers him that much. Or he can set up the thermostat to come on before he gets home.

Also, I'd expect my own DH to do some tidying up if he gets home before us and he has fuck all else productive to be doing.

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 18:19

She's showing him that they don't need him

Shes taking the kids to an activity that they enjoy because he’s not there to do it. Nothing more, nothing less.

REignbow · 15/02/2023 18:23

ChodeOfChodeBall · 15/02/2023 18:15

You're quite right that they're not having a jolly family time without him. But the OP's life and those of her girls are interwoven in such a way that her husband could quite easily feel like the spare prick at the wedding. She's showing him that they don't need him. She's also showing him that she prefers exercise and running with a friend to doing things with him (because they could presumably come up with a solution whereby they spend more time together). I'm not at all blaming her for that - I found many reasons not to go home to a sulky man. Her husband is not doing anything to convince her otherwise, but these things are very subtle. Eventually, what happens is that the person who feels pushed out finds someone who suddenly makes them feel special and important. He's a sideline in his own family at the moment. He and the OP both need to find ways to change this - if that's what she actually wants - before it all goes seriously pear-shaped. Been there, done that.

Maybe if the DH shared more of the drudge and ferrying of the the DC activities then he could join in on the jolly family time.

Like I said previously, this is essentially him moaning that he has not got a hot meal waiting for him or him being able to put his feet up whilst the dishes are being done.

@legworker ask him what he is going to do about it? He is an adult and is able to suggest changes.

He could suggest that he gets home at earlier on one of these days and takes the DC himself.

He could suggest that he goes to the supermarket instead of you.

He could suggest many more things but obviously thinks that it should be you.

IMO he’s a bloody man child.

Growlybear83 · 15/02/2023 18:28

Would it not be easier for you and your husband to eat at 9 when you get home with your children? I can't imagine eating my evening meal as early as 5!

WaddleAway · 15/02/2023 18:34

Growlybear83 · 15/02/2023 18:28

Would it not be easier for you and your husband to eat at 9 when you get home with your children? I can't imagine eating my evening meal as early as 5!

If I ate my evening meal at 5 I’d have to eat another one at 9 😂

aloris · 15/02/2023 18:34

Wow, the blaming of a woman because her husband doesn't feel like he's getting enough attention after she runs around doing virtually all the gruntwork. He strolls home at 6 pm after getting off work at 5 pm with a ten minute commute, but you see if he's unhappy it's HER fault for not twisting herself even more into a pretzel to make him feel like the most important person in the family. And if she fails to pretzel herself even more, he might have an affair and again it will be HER fault. By working, doing most of the housework and cooking, and the boring graft of taking the kids to their after-school activities, she is (checks notes) excluding him from family life. Of course, there's nothing stopping him from including himself into family life except his own unwillingness but, again, whose fault is it? Well obviously it's her fault.

Are we in the 1950s? I feel like we might have to go even further back. I'm pretty sure Louisa May Alcott made exactly this criticism of Meg when Meg's princely husband felt neglected because Meg's attention was taken up with looking after their newborn baby.

Katela18 · 15/02/2023 18:34

My first suggestion to him would be for him to stop staying an hour later at work and then he'd still be able to eat with you all, if he would presumably be home not much after 5

AGoldenNarwhal · 15/02/2023 18:35

He needs to get over himself and help you a bit more.

Part of being part of a family is mucking in with what needs to be done. He's not doing much at the moment, is he?

You're busy enough. This is not your problem to solve.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 15/02/2023 18:36

Sadlifter · 15/02/2023 17:12

I think if the house was getting messy and washing up left on the side for a few days, I'd take the dds, wait for dh to arrive at their sport then go home and spend a bit of time tidying then watching Netflix in peace until they get home.

That just seems like a lot of avoidable extra driving and petrol costs. The OP says they're out from 6 til 9 and train for 2 hours or so, which makes it sound like about a 20 minute drive. DH driving there and then OP driving back means two cars have had to do the journey to and from the sport rather than one. If the only thing that changes is OP rather than anyone else doing this cleaning, it's going to need doing very regularly, so an extra once or twice a week over the course of say a year is going to add up and not even address the majority of DHs gripes anyway. I'd be extremely reluctant to do this when he's not shown any sign of actually wanting to attend the sport himself.

Topsyturvy78 · 15/02/2023 18:39

Just sounds like normal family life to me. He needs to gtfu. Just plate him up whatever your having to heat. Or have you got a slow cooker? Prepare the evening or morning before dump in sc. You take out yours and dds and leave some for DH. Why does he not get home until six? Does he stay behind to work later.