To wonder why some men hate women so much?

[girlfriend44]

What's with all the misogyny?
Why do some men hate women so much.
Men can't exist without women?
All men have a mother!
Can't understand the likes of Wayne Couzens either he was married to a woman and had a daughter, yet he raped and killed a woman.
Why didn't he care that his daughter now has to grow up knowing her father hated women and killed one?

Oh dear @wellyoudidask33…points for the attempt but ‘bossiness’? and ‘being used’? Really?

Those two things are stereotypes of women ‘the nag’ and ‘the manipulator’ which like all stereotypes have a grain of truth but are a distortion. Some women are brilliant leaders, organisers and managers. I’m in my 50s but yet to meet a ‘bossy’ woman in the way you describe. I’ve come across way more pompous men who like to lord it over in a ‘you have no authority here Jackie Weaver’ way. Now that’s what I would describe as ‘bossy’.

And as for your assertion that women smile and bat their eyes to get things from you. Well mate, I hate to break it to you but this again, is blaming women for the dumb choices men make. The flattery to your ego is in your head, not in her smile.

But this all misses the point. Women live in fear of actual harm - rape, assault, death. And other associated trauma like homelessness, losing their kids, mental health issues etc.

I’m hoping you were attempting to be helpful but unfortunately it comes across as mansplaining to women why they should stfu and pander to men if they don’t want men to hate them. Its a threat. It’s just an affirmation of the male mind, male obliviousness and that famous saying:
’women are afraid men will kill them, men are afraid women will laugh at them’.

I can’t believe we still have to spell this out but women aren’t silent, stereotype, cardboard cutouts who exist for the benefit of men. They are rich complex human beings in their own right.

Educate yourself for the sake of that lovely granddaughter you long for.

It’s not a remotely weird example to use. It’s weird to have taken offence at something so exceptionally inoffensive.

Threatening? Do you go around scaring men at bus stops or something? :-)

Why do you feel you have to do everything? I certainly don't

Why do you have to be bossy ? There is a difference between being assertive and a leader than being bossy.

Bossy people are intolerable in every walk of life and every gender

I think, while they aren't consciously aware of it, deep in the recesses of their minds the men who hate women know we are immortal and they aren't. We build every single cell of our children during pregnancy and if we have a child who survives us, our blood, bones and cells live on after us.

We might look old, frail and unattractive in their eyes and they may feel contempt for us because we don't appeal to them, but we have the secret of eternal life buried within us.

Its not weird do read a post stating that Pakistanis hate Indians as if its a fact?? Ok then. I’ll not consider it offensive cos you say so

They hate women because we don't know our place. Women's rights and advancements now means men do not by default run things, that it's harder for them to get jobs and make money. Most men are interested in money and power. Women are encroaching upon both (even though we have a long way to go, but still) and we are making their lives harder.

I wish I knew the answer. I must admit that I used to be of the mindset NAMALT,but over the last year or so I have had my eyes well and truly opened. I got really annoyed with a male friend of mine who was dismissive of the fact that I felt very uncomfortable when 2 nights running,2 different random blokes started hitting on me while I was waiting for the bus. When I politely rejected their intrusive questions (where do I live,was I married) they got quite nasty,and basically said that I should be grateful for their attention! 😮My friend (who is 6 feet tall and very well built) seemed to think that I,a middle aged disabled woman was worrying about nothing! I soon put him straight (I hope).
Another example happened with a close friend of mine,who works at a health spa. She'd always got on well with her line manager,and from what she'd told me about him,he sounded like a really nice guy. Until a few weeks ago that was. She had to report him because he'd been making highly inappropriate,mysogynistic remarks to her. Turns out he'd been doing it to several other female members of staff,and had also grabbed one of them between her legs when she bent over to pick something up! He was sacked, thankfully.

@LexMitior - brilliant.

@MrLbz - I don't, but may take that up! Seems like enough men do it, perhaps time to even it up.

I think maybe the issue is that what gives men the advantage - aggression, physical size and strength - is largely irrelevant once you move from fairly primitive ways of living into more 'civilized' societies. So then you have to invent all kinds of rules, religion etc to justify men having advantages and when women disprove or overcome them, they only answer is incoherent rage and irrational justification.

Motivation is another reason. Most of the women I know, especially the younger ones, seem fiercely motivated compared to men. And they seem to enjoy life more. They tend to be better educated, better read, more ambitious, more interested in traveling and socializing, and so on. Frankly, I think a lot of women find men boring. I know so many men who don't seem interested in anything. They never read, don't want to travel, and can barely hold a conversation. Men like that really are being left behind. Women quickly get fed up with them, and end the relationship. This then sets up a pattern. They meet an attractive, educated woman with a career, form a relationship, bore and irritate her, get dumped, and then have the same thing happen again. But instead of thinking "well, maybe I'm a bit miserable and dull, I need to change," they think "f-ing women, they never shut up, they're never satisfied," etc.

I cannot get my head around the policeman killer and rapist.
He had a daughter. She has to grow up knowing her dad hated women and is inside forever for murder and rape.

Well a smart man would quickly work out what he had to change on motivation if he wanted such a woman.

A self centered man will never get it, and assume that there are a bunch of self serving reasons which apply to women as a group. That's your sexist guy.

Dodecaheidyin I totally agree with everything you said in your post,and it brought to mind an article I read in a newspaper a few days ago. A doctor was complaining about the fact that money available for the research for treatment of prostate cancer was half of that available for breast cancer,despite the fact that the numbers of men developing prostate cancer was similar to the number of women developing breast cancer. He was also berating the fact that prostate cancer sufferers were given very little help and support support after treatment (for things like erectile dysfunction) compared to the amount of help and support women receive after breast cancer treatment.

Now,I'd be the first to say that in an ideal world,ALL types of cancer should receive equal funding,and sufferers should all receive good quality after-care and help. But unfortunately we don't. But what annoyed me was the fact that this doctor seemed oblivious of the vast inequalities that exist between the treatment of men and women with regards to health care in general. It's been well documented that women get taken less seriously when it comes to pain (I have experienced this myself on several occasions), or women not being taken seriously when they reported symptoms of a heart attack. The health care system is generally geared to the needs of men, even to the extent that drug trials are frequently only done on men,with no regard as to whether the drugs will be suitable for women.
I couldn't help thinking as read this article 'Just for once, women's care is better than men's!'. I know many will say I'm wrong for thinking that,but isn't it about time?

@dottypotter - it is a sad truth that being a father does not mean you love your children or respect them. There are many men like this. Fatherhood is an action, not a status. Same goes for mothers. You can have the title but it's what you do that makes the child.

I used to work with the police and the army. 97 per cent male. Often very nasty remarks about wives, mothers and daughters. Quite an eye opener

JoonT everyone should have the chance to read the excellent views you have expressed here.

To be fair some women are ghastly and if their male children are exposed to 18 years of them there is no wonder at all. Obviously the same applies for ghastly men and their daughters. Our upbringing matters far more than people realise.

I for one am not a door mat, so what are we, as women going to do about this ?

There’s also the fact that women give far more to charities researching breast cancer, than men give to charities researching prostate cancer - in fact women give more to charity overall.

Well, I think our first duty is to ourselves not to let men get away with treating us like objects. Making strong relationships with kind respectful men not those tedious 'bad boy' types. When a friend admits a preference for that type of laddish man, she rockets down in my estimation. Date decent men. Find them sexy. Leave the negging lovebombers dateless.

And stand up to the tossers, especially when they are trialling a low grade aggression to see what they can get away with. I stood up really firmly to a 6'2" man bullying a lone female 4'10 shop assistant who tried to insist he paid for something he was trying to steal. It was interesting how quickly he backed down when two not just one very short women stood side by side and told him he was out of order. The other day I watched a small woman stop two men from ruining the Egyptian Hieroglyphics exhibition at the British Museum by braying like foghorns about how awful and untrustworthy all Egyptian people are. She just told them they were awful and to shut up, and she stood her ground until they did. The more women stop tolerating entitled shit behaviour from men, the less they will feel entitled to it.

It doesn't seem to be getting any better. Men seem to see women as a threat.

Quite often the attitude is "don't talk to young males about this because it's bad for their self esteem." You'll make them feel bad essentially.

I work in a toy shop and the hardest thing about it is seeing dads tear thier young sons away from anything perceived as 'girly'. Even things like cuddly toys and sometimes they even get a dressing down from them for even daring to go near them. I can't help but think that this early conditioning to dislike any female stereotypes then leads to a dislike of females themselves, or even resentment. It happens with mums and daughters too but not quite as often and never done with as much venom. It seems more socially acceptable for girls to like things like superheros and dinosaurs then for boys to like dollies.

I don't think this is the sole reason but something that may contribute to the problem.

Me and my colleagues do try to minimise it buy saying our toys are unisex but it's like speaking to a brick wall.

Please excuse the typos in my post!

The more women stop tolerating entitled shit behaviour from men, the less they will feel entitled to it
agree, we should face them down when we can, nip bad behaviour in the bud before they get too entitled and out of control, the out of control men are ruinous for society as a whole
BUT men take more notice of other men than they do of women, it is primarily men who should be facing down the bad men!

Women no longer need men and men like/want to be needed. In every school girls are outperforming boys by country miles- the future is bright for women, not so bright for men.

Men are deemed as disposable by society- we send men to fight in war, in titanic women and children go first men stay behind, men do the more physically dangerous and dirty jobs. And let's be honest not many women want to work on building sites, rodent extermination, highways, car garages, plumbing, down sewers etc. This leads to resentment that they are not appreciated despite doing jobs that make the world go round.

Men are far more sex obsessed on the whole. In their minds, all women are turning down offers from Brad Pitt lookalikes 24/7 while they are sat on their lonesome watching porn. Speaking of porn... thats a whole issue in itself and is warping the minds of men and more worryingly young boys and girls.

@tobee - I wonder who says that? That is some shit parenting.

Look at the men who do find women and secure relationships. They are often as JoonT describes, they are motivated, capable, solvent, thoughtful.

This is literally NAMALT. Quite a lot of men manage fine. You've got to assume that they are being raised differently from those who don't.