15 minute cities and the conspirators

[ivykaty44]

15 minute cities being organised to mean that you don't have to rely on a car to get to everything and can easily walk to many places therefore only have to use the car for longer journeys

the conspiracy theories im seeing on social media are suggesting its a world wide control formula and we will be fined for moving from one district to another.

www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2023/02/08/15-minute-city-conspiracy-theories-insane-says-15-minute-city-creator/?sh=121378916156

I'm wondering if the car manufactures are behind the conspiracy, as they would have a lot to lose if people live in places where they don't need a car and can just ave one family car or hire a car. Billions of sales could be lost if this takes off.

Some cities have gone car free - theculturetrip.com/europe/spain/articles/the-car-free-spanish-city/ and found after much objection, that it works well - especially for the elderly

Your experience. You cannot speak for everyone.
I do not want to be limited to go to places that can only be reached by bus or train.

I don’t know if anyone has seen the video by Konstantin Kisin where he talks about how we should be creating new/better/cheaper technologies, instead of expecting people to go backwards. It’s on Twitter, we’ll worth a watch.

Trying to fix climate change by punishing and restricting people will not work. Fixing it by innovating and moving on from draconian ideological plans will mean more people cooperating.

A general election will make no difference. There is no current political party capable of making the necessary changes, and when it comes to plans involving permits and freedom restrictions, I don’t trust any politician or civil servant to not (at some point) take advantage of their perceived power.

Talking of cycling and trams, I was in Basel a couple of years ago and was amazed at how many people were cycling along a road with a tram line. In the UK the authorities would be threatening the tramway with prosecution if anyone had an accident (see the Top Gear St Petersburg race for what can happen if a bike gets caught in the flangeway).

@MiaMoor

Hate to break it to you, but where you can and can't drive is already massively restricted by a whole gamut of law.

I'm not watching a random ranting person the internet who uses the word "woke".

Where is restricted? I mean I know about London, but a car would be a hindrance there.

You seem to be quite aggressively arguing for humans to be limited, which I find quite odd.

I have a list of places I want to go, none of them accessible by rail or bus. Amazing places in the UK that I and many others wish to visit. If I’m told I need a permit, or I’m limited to a number of days, to leave a specific area, then I’m going to feel trapped and claustrophobic. You might not. You can argue and consent for your own limitations, but you cannot speak for others and tell them they must feel the same as you.

Pity you won’t watch the video, it really is amazing, instead of the usual drudgery society throws at us right now that wants to keep us down. I personally want more for my life and my children.

It’s local government driving this. 🙄

Permits and restrictions are how dystopian situations arise. I can see how so many would blindly stumble into it.

If covid lockdowns showed us nothing but the contempt politicians hold for the population they are supposedly serving, then we really should not be mutely complying with schemes that even have a tiny potential to be abused.

If I’m told I need a permit, or I’m limited to a number of days, to leave a specific area, then I’m going to feel trapped and claustrophobic.

where are you getting this from? No council has said people will need a permit to visit their city or town. What they’ve said is if you come and visit section 1 then you’ll have to drive back out to the ring road to then drive back into section 2

ghent dies this same thing and tourists still flick there, they have found it’s improved traffic flow

are you against reducing congestion?

These objections really are starting to feel a bit freedom of the land (available on Google)

It’s local government driving this.

Yes, County Council rather than city council. Unfortunately, in Oxfordshire, this means decisions (not just LTNs, but many things) are made regarding the city by people who don't live there and who politically don't reflect the views of those who do.

So this screenshot, from Oxford City Council website, is wrong then?

Like I said, other cities have successfully reduced traffic without the need for permits and restrictions. I’m not against limiting traffic anywhere, I’m against the introduction of a system that could insidiously be abused in the future.

Definitely. The people who think 15 minute cities are the WEF trying to control them will have a big crossover with the people who think quoting Magna Carta in court gets them out of paying Council Tax.

So does that mean that if you don't live in Oxfordshire you are not allowed into Oxford at all, people may have relatives there

I'm sure visitors will be let in but have the same route options.

saw this and thought of this thread - possible Government challenge to ULEZ?

may just be weasel words or a chess game related to mayoral power though.

uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/downing-street-could-block-sadiq-091457863.html

Great, so I've got what I 'need' on my doorstep. What about having actual, ya know, fun? Or are people intent on sucking every last bit of joy out of life?

We should also remember that it wasn't too long ago that we were all being encouraged to stay apart. So, surely they can't be surprise that people would now prefer to use their own modes of transport? Public transport is nowhere NEAR where it needs to be yet for people to ditch their cars.

Great, so I've got what I 'need' on my doorstep. What about having actual, ya know, fun? Or are people intent on sucking every last bit of joy out of life?

Not sure why you can't have fun anywhere you want to go? or why having or the necessities for everyday life on your doorstep would prevent you from having fun elsewhere

You don't have to be a nut job to see that 15 minute cities are a stupid idea that will cause all manner of problems. The enforcement of these restrictions is almost certainly beyond the legal competence of a town council and will end up in court, where it will get short shrift.

PS the same applies to county councils and even possibly to central government without repealing numerous Acts of Parliament.

So does that mean that if you don't live in Oxfordshire you are not allowed into Oxford at all, people may have relatives there

Thats what the protestors want you to believe, that you will be denied entry to the city or leaving after so many times, and have to buy a permit to be allowed to see your relatives - its a load of bullshit.

There was a protestor on Saturday interviewed and he was confused as his mate John had told him that leaving the city would be banned but when he read the Oxford council literature on the scheme it was different and wasn't the case at all - thus his confusion

The enforcement of these restrictions is almost certainly beyond the legal competence of a town council and will end up in court, where it will get short shrift.

if that was the case, how would a housing estate ever be built with cul de sac? as what the council is effectively doing is placing in cul de sacs but with the option of driving through. Just curious on what grounds will the legal challenge be?

Like I said, other cities have successfully reduced traffic without the need for permits and restrictions.

I asked previously you to name the cities and you've yet to do so? which cities are they and how have they reduced the congestion and by what percentage?

Ah but that's just what Bill Gates secretly wants you to do , it was a double bluff all along !

( maniacal laughter)

In theory a great idea but are you really happy to lose a fundamental right of freedom of movement? You are literally asking that people carry "papers" around?

Playing fields, parks, gyms, pubs (including one which hosts music at the weekend), cultural stuff in the library in the evening and a church hall or similar for exercise classes/choir practice/whatever would meet most people's weekly requirements for fun.

Theatre/museums/clubs probably would be outside the scope of that routine fun and require a special trip downtown: I think that's more of a monthly thing than a weekly thing for most people.

Not sure where cinemas would fit in that scale: I guess smaller local cinemas with a faster rotating repertoire rather than big multiplex's should be part of the landscape. Not quite sure about gyms either, but given the fact that they're part of many people's regular routine and the fact that I've got at least 6 within a 15 minute walk then they should probably be in spec.

If you're a full-fledged clubber who wants to spend all weekend every weekend at the big clubs then this model of life wouldn't work for you though.

Maybe the flyer about it should have put the rest of the country or everyone else instead of the rest of Oxfordshire to make it clearer.