To remind you that no photo ID = no right to vote.

[SusiePevensie]

Get ID here: www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate

Confused by all these comments about ID in NI. We voted here for the first time not too long ago and no one checked the ID we brought, they just asked for name and postcode like in England!

@Kazzyhoward If I had a state pension, of course I'd know my Nat Ins. I don't qualify as a) I'm not 66 yet and b) I haven't paid in for it. I've never drawn benefit, except child benefit nearly 30 years ago. I will enquire about my Nat Ins no as that will open the door with respect to ID for other things.

The last election in Northern Ireland was almost 9 months ago this month.

And NI Direct explicitly states ID is required to be shown before voters can get a ballot paper:

www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/elections

www.electoralintegrityproject.com/eip-blog/2021/12/12/the-uk-elections-bill-some-resources
Evidence from Northern Ireland also shows how turnout can be affected.
Photographic voter identification requirements have been in place in Northern Ireland since the early 2000s and was first in place at the Northern Ireland Assembly Elections in 2004. It was estimated that around 25,000 voters did not vote in that election because they did not have the required form of identification. Almost 3,500 people were initially refused a vote for not presenting the required identification requirements. This was 2.3% of the electorate.

The government’s own research suggests that 9% of the public do not have in-date and recognisable identification.
The availability of identification is lower amongst those with a severely limiting disability, the unemployed and those without educational qualifications.

What will all the newly entitled to vote eighteen year olds do? Their passport if they have one will probably not be a good likeness, and about half of them don't have driving licenses.

No wonder the government is pushing ahead with leaving the European Court of Human Rights, they know plenty of us don't care about our rights being taken away.

Well not from other people anyway.

Lost or gained weight? Aged? Changed your hair? Wear glasses now.

You can be denied a vote if your photo ID is is not a good likeness.

Apply for the voter ID like everyone else? They should be on electoral roll already and I didn't see 18+ only on the certificate requirements. I don't think I missed it?

Have you not read any of the posts pointing out that millions of people are disenfranchised by this legislation and that it would take eight years to give them all suitable documents?

Or that most people don't seem to be aware they need them?

Erm, in EU (at leats where I voted) your id must be valid. Bit surprised you can actually use out of date ID here tbh...
That is the only case of likeness. If you have normal valid ID likeness is not an issue.

Ehile everyone moans, I don't think you realise how much leevay they are giving with the extensive list AND possibility to use out of date ID

People are missing the main issue. Which is the Electoral Commission proposed allowed voter ID’s be much wider to stop disenfranchising certain communities.

At the last moment the Tories turned around and disallowed the recommendation to allow people to be able to use ID such as student cards and travel passes, whilst making an exception for their Tory heartland over 60s voters where travel passes are allowed.

Voter ID is one thing but the way the Tories have introduced it stinks and is against Electoral Commission recommendations.

no-one here can hide behind this being to prevent fraud (when voter fraud is pretty much non existent even at the governments admission). It’s to make it easier for those who traditionally vote Tory to vote and harder for those disenfranchised communities who dont.

Am I correct in thinking a pensioners bus pass is acceptable ID but a student bus pass isn't?

I work in an industry that requires photographic id to prove a persons identity, there are many people who do not have it, I was amazed to begin with but if they've never been abroad, never learned to drive and never worked for an employer that provides photo ID cards it's easy to see why they don't have it

What's the EU got to do with this @Applesandcarrots?

Correct.

It's been mentioned as comparison throughout thread

It took me two weeks to get it. Where are you getting eight years from?

Again, councils and libraries are holding sessions to help those without cameras or computers/Internet or English as a first language or well...anybody entitled to the FREE voter ID. You are making out this is more difficult than it actually is. Why?

What..

I mean my passport has worked throughout my life.

And dc change appearance as they grow and no issue there

Ffs clicked too early

"You can be denied a vote if your photo ID is is not a good likeness." Is not denying anyone rights whether under ECHR or not when it's no longer valid ID. Countries still within ECHR jurisdiction actually usually don't even accept invalid ID. This has nothing to do with leaving ECHR. UK is providing considerable leevay by allowing use of invalid ID compared to many other around

Passport?

FWIW this has gone down like a cup of cold sick with elections teams across the country. I know someone who works in this arena and attended a conference last year where this came up and pretty much every response was showing concern/anger/disbelief at how this has been brought in. It's also putting an awful lot of pressure on presiding officers who may well have to turn people away on the day. They already have a massive amount of responsibility on the day of an election without having to deal with an inevitable kick off when someone isn't allowed to vote.

It's really badly planned out and not being done for the right reasons.

Utterly blatant isn't it?

@BashfulClam * * If he wasn't being sarcastic then he was definitely pulling your leg

In a case like they they'd be offered a tendered ballot paper

Polling staff are categorically not allowed to open the ballot boxes

And the police pop their heads in and check with the presiding officer that everything's ok. They are there for minutes., not all day

How? Paper licenses have been dead for years and years....you have to renew your license....don't you? Or am I going mad!
As far as I know card licenses need renewing but the paper ones don't if address is correct.

Disingenuous.

It was merely an estimation that 25,000 people couldn't vote in the 2003 Northern Ireland Assembly Elections.

It's not an absolute fact.

uk.finance.yahoo.com/finance/news/impact-voter-id-turnout-unknowable-111659136.html

And that was at the beginning as testified to the Commons committee. Hasn't happened to that degree since.

As for the 3,500 people being turned away, this was in 2017 and absolutely NOT due to the voter ID requirement by any means.

"It was disappointing to report that almost 3,500 would-be voters did not get to have their say at the March election as they were not on the electoral register." - Ann Watt, Electoral Commission

m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/3500-turned-away-from-polling-stations-during-northern-ireland-election/35720310.html

Next time you want to make an argument, try not to be disingenuous by distorting the facts.

Put the person's date of birth on the Electoral Register. That would mean someone had to be roughly the right age to vote. It would make it harder for anyone to pretend to be me but would cause me no problems