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To remind you that no photo ID = no right to vote.

377 replies

SusiePevensie · 11/02/2023 14:32

Get ID here: www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate

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verdantverdure · 11/02/2023 21:54

TulipsLilacs · 11/02/2023 19:52

No surprise 60+ oyster cards can be used but not oyster cards for anyone younger.

Funny that, isn't it?

Wonderpoo · 11/02/2023 22:05

Don’t see a problem as will use my bus pass on my way to work

@EngTech unless it’s a certain type of bus pass such as a Disability or Older persons pass it doesn’t count

Wonderpoo · 11/02/2023 22:13

Of course, if people leave it until the last minute and don't get it in time, they'll lose the vote. Same as with passports. If you leave it too late to apply, you'll lose your holiday. We understand that, so we get our passports in good time

Your middle class / ableist privilege shines through in these statements.

USPollWorker · 11/02/2023 22:16

I work as a poll worker in the US, and it boggles my mind that you weren't previously expected to show photo ID in the UK. Here we accept many different kids of ID. The vast majority of people show their drivers licenses, but non drivers can get a state ID, which is very similar. We also accept student IDs, military IDs, and even debit or credit cards with photos on. I'm all in favor of making it as easy as possible for people to vote, but I don't believe that obtaining a photo ID is too high a bar.

scaredoff · 11/02/2023 22:17

Womanofcustard · 11/02/2023 16:05

The voter fraud they’re trying to stop is mainly in the postal votes.

They're not trying to stop voter fraud.

XanaduKira · 11/02/2023 22:19

pleat · 11/02/2023 15:21

It's been like this in Northern Ireland since the mid-80s.

I know! Found it so bizarre when I first voted in England (over 20 years ago!) & didn't need any sort of proof of I'd at all!

MarshaMelrose · 11/02/2023 22:32

Wonderpoo · 11/02/2023 22:13

Of course, if people leave it until the last minute and don't get it in time, they'll lose the vote. Same as with passports. If you leave it too late to apply, you'll lose your holiday. We understand that, so we get our passports in good time

Your middle class / ableist privilege shines through in these statements.

Don't be ridiculous. People from all classes with all sorts of disabilities have passports. If you're capable of understanding the political manifestos of the candidates and physically getting to the polling station, you can more than manage to get a card.

Applesandcarrots · 11/02/2023 22:36

XanaduKira · 11/02/2023 22:19

I know! Found it so bizarre when I first voted in England (over 20 years ago!) & didn't need any sort of proof of I'd at all!

I dutifully arrived with non uk passport, my national ID and UK DL because I wasn't sure which they need and they looked at me like I had two heads😂
Didn't even want that card you get in post.

XanaduKira · 11/02/2023 22:38

I know @Applesandcarrots - it screamed of being totally open to fraud and abuse! Can't actually believe it's taken this long for some sort of validation process to be introduced.

happyinherts · 11/02/2023 22:43

I don't have a passport, driving licence, photo ID of any kind, and not aware of my Nat Ins no - haven't worked for 37 years. Guess I'll have to try and get a postal vote. I must try and get my Nat Ins no though, although with no documentation that too might be difficult.

jcyclops · 11/02/2023 22:51

Possibly the last election without photo ID required will have been the recent West Lancashire by-election. The turnout was 31%. Why should we bother about the 4% who currently have no ID (likely to be much lower by the time of the local elections in May) when 69% can't be arsed to vote anyway.

MarshaMelrose · 11/02/2023 22:57

happyinherts · 11/02/2023 22:43

I don't have a passport, driving licence, photo ID of any kind, and not aware of my Nat Ins no - haven't worked for 37 years. Guess I'll have to try and get a postal vote. I must try and get my Nat Ins no though, although with no documentation that too might be difficult.

You just fill out a straightforward form and include your birth certificate. There's a NI helpline you can ring to give you advice.

happyinherts · 11/02/2023 22:59

@MarshaMelrose Thank you. I will make enquiries. Birth cert is different to current name due to adoption and marriage - but hopefully it won't be too difficult.

RuthW · 11/02/2023 23:04

I ordered mine a few weeks ago. It came within three days.

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 11/02/2023 23:15

Isseywith3witchycats · 11/02/2023 14:34

Most people have photo Id of some sort passport, bus pass driving licence so i cant see it being that much of a problem

If you don't drive and don't holiday abroad you'll have neither. Many people do neither of these things because they can't afford to. This socio economic group is unlikely to be voting for the government who introduced the rule.

THAT is the problem

Pixiedust1234 · 11/02/2023 23:30

I have a paper driving licence and no passport so I applied for the FREE voter ID. Took two weeks which included me adding extra verification. It was quick and painless.

To a pp who asked. If you had the original paper licence and never lost it, moved address or changed name since photo id happened then there was never a need to get a photo licence that costs you money to update.

MarshaMelrose · 11/02/2023 23:44

happyinherts · 11/02/2023 22:59

@MarshaMelrose Thank you. I will make enquiries. Birth cert is different to current name due to adoption and marriage - but hopefully it won't be too difficult.

Don't worry. It just asks you for all your previous names and addresses and its databases put it all together.
It's a bit scary that that's the most efficient part of the govt - tracking us! 😁

www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-insurance-get-your-national-insurance-number-in-writing-ca5403

Notatallanamechange · 11/02/2023 23:48

BashfulClam · 11/02/2023 16:21

My friend is a police officer who attends polling stations. He said they can open the box and remove the vote. Thats why they write a number on your voting paper. We are in Scotland though and it was a big thing during the referendum.

Well your friend’s a bullshitter, eh? Making the police look better than ever lying about this stuff.

MarshaMelrose · 11/02/2023 23:50

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 11/02/2023 23:15

If you don't drive and don't holiday abroad you'll have neither. Many people do neither of these things because they can't afford to. This socio economic group is unlikely to be voting for the government who introduced the rule.

THAT is the problem

It really isn't a problem. Not having money doesn't mean you can't fill out forms. Most people on these low incomes will be claiming some sort of financial uplift in the form of benefits...for which they had to fill out a form. There aren't many peoole in this country that havent filled out a form at some stage.

RiktheButler · 11/02/2023 23:58

Isn't it crazy that collecting a parcel from the post office is more secure than voting...
Isn't it fascinating how many versions of the "number of disenfranchised" there are ... (3 in this thread alone)
Isn't it curious that people don't understand what "at the current rate" means in the article about issuing voter id

ZiriForEver · 12/02/2023 02:55

How does it work in UK in general when a photo ID isn't a standard thing?

Getz registered letter from post, visit bank to deal with my account, register to study at the university, vote, proving age for age related travel discounts, buying homes or cars, proving identity to police...

MarshaMelrose · 12/02/2023 03:13

Most people use photo ID of passport, driving licence, disabled blue badge, proof of age card. But collecting parcels, they just look at my debit card. At the bank, you put your debit card in the machine and press your pin number.
And, honestly, you don't have to prove anything to the police!! People lie to them all the time!

Toddlerteaplease · 12/02/2023 03:36

Isseywith3witchycats · 11/02/2023 14:34

Most people have photo Id of some sort passport, bus pass driving licence so i cant see it being that much of a problem

My friend has none. Setting up a current account was an absolute nightmare!

DownNative · 12/02/2023 08:45

HerNameIsIncontinentiaButtocks · 11/02/2023 16:03

Yay, systemic voter suppression again. The right-wing's favourite activity apart from coining it on public contracts and running away.

Does it actually mean anything though? I have several photo ID things, but I've never needed to use them to do anything to do with voting.

Claptrap!

The Electoral Commission recognises the need to make the GB voting procedure more secure in order to inspire confidence in the system.

And boost turnout.

This is the true reason voter ID was introduced in Northern Ireland in the first place. It's been successful and will be so in GB.

The Electoral Commission frequently cite Northern Ireland as an example to follow.

Fact is if voters in the poorest part of the United Kingdom have no problem with Voter ID.....there's no reason to suppose voters in the more better off parts of the UK will struggle to get to grips with it all.

The poorest part of the UK? Northern Ireland where ID is required before you can vote.

It seems to me its mostly lefties in Great Britain who have an irrational fear of this disadvantaging their favoured party. Quite curious how lefties in Northern Ireland don't share the same irrational fear.

Or those in the Republic of Ireland for that matter.

The people of GB will have little problems getting on with voter ID. If some can't afford it, well it's FREE! It's not rocket science!

And here is the findings of the Electoral Commission on the voter ID pilot in 2019:

"The data and findings presented in our evaluation build on the evidence base provided by the 2018 pilot scheme. This evidence further clarifies the way in which a voter ID scheme could be delivered in Great Britain.

However, we are not able to draw definitive conclusions, from these pilots, about how an ID requirement would work in practice, particularly at a national poll with higher levels of turnout or in areas with different socio-demographic profiles not fully represented in the pilot scheme."

So, they say they weren't able to draw definitive conclusions which doesn't match the doom 'n gloom narrative several have given in this thread.

And they went on to say the following:

"If the policy is to be developed further, Government and Parliament should consider carefully the available evidence about the impact of different approaches on the accessibility and security of polling station voting in Great Britain.

This should include evidence from the experience of polling station voters in Northern Ireland, who have been required to show ID since 1985 (including requiring photo ID since 2003), as well as the evidence from the local pilot schemes in both 2018 and 2019."

Essentially, Northern Ireland should be looked to for best practice on the requirement of voter ID. As already shown with no serious argument against it, Northern Ireland already shows requiring voter ID does work!

As for accessibility to voter ID, they stated:

"While a large majority of people already have access to an acceptable form of photo ID, allowing only existing forms of officially issued photo ID would not be accessible for everyone.

To make sure voting at polling stations remains accessible, there would need to be other options for people who do not already have an acceptable form of photo ID. This could involve providing free of charge locally issued photo ID, as currently provided for electors in Northern Ireland.

Alternatively, it could involve allowing voters to use their poll card – on the current model or a different model – as the primary or secondary route to proving identity, depending on the level of security required."

And:

"Locally issued ID that includes a photo – like the electoral identity card currently provided in Northern Ireland – would be more secure than locally issued ID without a photo."

And:

"Some groups of people would find it harder than others to show photo ID in a polling station, although this could be mitigated if locally issued photo voter cards were easily available for all."

Once again, we find that Northern Ireland is held up in this regard for best practice. Essentially, GB would follow best practice from us in Northern Ireland and, if necessary, tweak anything that is needed to ensure best function.

Really, I think it's tribalism in the vein of Labour v Conservatives that's at the heart of any opposition in this thread. Pretty much driven by those who vote Labour based on an irrational fear.

But the Electoral Commission is very clear Voter ID becoming a requirement DOES work.

The Electoral Commission's concerns was related to the short time table for Local Elections in May, IIRC.

Not with the principle of requirements for voter ID itself. Important distinction.

It will apply to General Elections in England from October 2023, so plenty of time to get it right having learnt best practice from Northern Ireland.

Less of the faux outrage, please.....

DownNative · 12/02/2023 08:46

Toddlerteaplease · 12/02/2023 03:36

My friend has none. Setting up a current account was an absolute nightmare!

Your friend can get a FREE voter ID card.....