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To think the adoration of Zelensky in the UK feels very wrong?

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WarWhatIsItGoodFor · 08/02/2023 21:18

Exactly that. Why are UK politicians lapping it all up and hanging on to his every word? The laughter from MPs when he said he enjoyed English tea but now wants English planes… in what sense is that funny? He is wanting war planes to cause more bloodshed, death and destruction. I hope this doesn’t lead to Russian retaliation.

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NextPrimeMinister · 08/02/2023 22:11

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Have you mixed him up with Putin?

illiterato · 08/02/2023 22:11

What’s Russian for wumao, because there’s a lot of them on this thread?

HerbalTeaAndCake · 08/02/2023 22:12

*Neededanewuserhandle
I don't think the adoration is for him personally, but for the way he and the Ukranians have stood up to an attempt at an illegal invasion of their country.
If we never stand up to Russia for fear of retaliation, then we have learned nothing from history.*

Well the adoration on this thread from horny mumsnetters is certainly for him personally! 🤣

StoneofDestiny · 08/02/2023 22:12

Yes, a suspicious number of Russian spokespeople on here!
Whatever the corruption issues in Ukraine, they are multiplied fourfold in Russia. Russian needs stopping - that's it.

user1471453601 · 08/02/2023 22:12

@Igotjelly yes I did, thanks for your correction. I hope the meaning of my post didn't get lost in my unfortunate conflation of the two, thanks for putting it right.

808Kate1 · 08/02/2023 22:13

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Mr Waters enters the chat.

PitYerTapOan · 08/02/2023 22:14

Genevieva · 08/02/2023 21:24

Yes.
Until war broke out Ukraine was recognised as one of the most corrupt countries in the world for both money laundering and the trafficking of women.

Lets be honest, he only came to get more free stuff. We have been hugely generous because we recognise the power difference between Ukraine and their aggressive neighbour. However, there is a sensible limit. We are also a country with vast debt and a cost of living crisis, but we have a government that seems to keep finding more money behind the sofa for Ukraine. Soon we will be left with nothing to defend ourselves with.

Agree with this.

In the run up to the escalation (not the hostilities - that happened years ago) he reminded me of a cat I used to have, as a child. She was quite crotchety but also very small. She knew her limitations and would mostly run away from the bigger neighbourhood cats. But when I was in the garden with her and a bigger cat showed up, she would get behind my legs and hiss at them. The fact that I was there made her feel brave. So it is with zelensky and NATO.

Immediately before nudging along the border, he was in real trouble domestically. Funded and brought to power by Kolomoisky (a man so bent that even the USA won't entertain him), people always knew he was an oligarch and therefore responsible for v bad things but during the covid crisis there was additional bad feeling about his ill gotten millions offshore and international property portfolio. However a regime change the USA was the opportunity for him to poke the bear and insert himself into the next turn of the west/east narrative and distract from all of that.

Never mind that in doing so he invited decimation of his own people.

He is a disgusting man but he suits where the UK is politically, for now.

I really do hope that both sides will settle soon and that after they do all of what he's been up to is laid bare, Nazis, embezzlement and all.

needastrongoneagain · 08/02/2023 22:15

HerbalTeaAndCake · 08/02/2023 22:08

What would you have him do? Cow tail to Putin? Give up his country? Surrender? He and his country invaded nobody.

Lol @needastrongoneagain it's kowtow 🤣🤣🤣

Fair point, auto correct and a serious lack of reading before posting has been an issue for me today, I am happy to admit 😂😂😂

Jonnywishbone · 08/02/2023 22:15

We caused this mess by suggesting that the Ukraine could join NATO and the EU. Russia had said very clearly that they saw that as unacceptable in a country where they have an important naval base. We thought Russia was a spent dead power and ignored what they said. The russian asked NATO to agree not to give Ukraine nato membership, they said no, then surprise surprise the russians invaded. If we had let them be and not interfered then perhaps the situation that existed before would have continued without bloodshed.

Now we have mad energy prices because we thought the principal of not being pressured by Russia was too important. We should have kept our noses out.

daffodilandtulip · 08/02/2023 22:17

He's not hungry for war or attention, he just doesn't want to be Russian. If he had just surrendered on day one, how far into Europe would Putin be today?

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 08/02/2023 22:17

Genevieva · 08/02/2023 21:24

Yes.
Until war broke out Ukraine was recognised as one of the most corrupt countries in the world for both money laundering and the trafficking of women.

Lets be honest, he only came to get more free stuff. We have been hugely generous because we recognise the power difference between Ukraine and their aggressive neighbour. However, there is a sensible limit. We are also a country with vast debt and a cost of living crisis, but we have a government that seems to keep finding more money behind the sofa for Ukraine. Soon we will be left with nothing to defend ourselves with.

Where was all the money going -before- the war broke out?

Was the NHS better then? No.

Was debt decreasing? No.

Was the economy improving? No (look at the more cool assessments of the impact of Brexit. Even if you think that it's better for the UK to go it alone, the fact remains that the way it was done has decreased the UK's financial standing).

Was the standard of living improving? No.

Your post is a red herring. Were the war to stop tomorrow the debt crisis would still increase and the cost of living crisis still worsen because challenges have been badly handled and there is no will to improve the situation.

bringincrazyback · 08/02/2023 22:18

pointythings · 08/02/2023 21:23

I think we should always remember that it was Russia that invaded Ukraine, and that therefore they should not be appeased in any way.

This. Why would anyone think otherwise?

DonnaBanana · 08/02/2023 22:18

I think we should be doing a lot more including actually sending our boys in to be honest. We only have about 100 tanks anyway so we might as well send the trained soldiers who know how to use them as they won’t be any use back here

NextPrimeMinister · 08/02/2023 22:20

Jonnywishbone · 08/02/2023 22:15

We caused this mess by suggesting that the Ukraine could join NATO and the EU. Russia had said very clearly that they saw that as unacceptable in a country where they have an important naval base. We thought Russia was a spent dead power and ignored what they said. The russian asked NATO to agree not to give Ukraine nato membership, they said no, then surprise surprise the russians invaded. If we had let them be and not interfered then perhaps the situation that existed before would have continued without bloodshed.

Now we have mad energy prices because we thought the principal of not being pressured by Russia was too important. We should have kept our noses out.

Putin has publicly claimed his desire to rebuild the USSR, Ukraine was first on the list, and was expected to capitulate and he would then have moved to the next ex Russian country on his list.

The NATO application was just a ruse / excuse he needed to invade.

Unbelievably, Ukraine has held strong and seriously damaged Putins plan and reputation.

TokyoSushi · 08/02/2023 22:20

People can't honestly be suggesting that we caused this because we suggested a sovereign country should do something that Russia wouldn't 'allow' it to do? It's absolutely not up to Russia what any other country does, in any way, shape or form.

I do worry slightly that we are 'poking the bear' by showing such open adulation for Zelensky and I hope that there are no consequences for us as a result.

But Zelensky and Ukraine never asked for any of this and we should continue to help wherever we can.

JoonT · 08/02/2023 22:20

DontGoBreakingMyHeart · 08/02/2023 21:32

I don’t trust him.

I feel for the average people in Ukraine, but I don’t trust him an inch, he’s actively goading the Russians.

Ukraine and Russia is a complicated situation. It’s not a case of Russia bad, Ukraine good, it’s just not that black and white.

We have to help Ukraine because of where not doing so could lead Russia, but let’s not pretend that Ukraine is a country well known for its human rights.

Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

I can’t take to him either. I suspect he’s got a narcissistic streak. But then again, I can think of very few politicians I have liked or trusted. To put yourself forward, and compete for power, you have to be either egotistical or ideologically driven. Very few politicians are moderate, sensible and humble.

808Kate1 · 08/02/2023 22:20

Jonnywishbone · 08/02/2023 22:15

We caused this mess by suggesting that the Ukraine could join NATO and the EU. Russia had said very clearly that they saw that as unacceptable in a country where they have an important naval base. We thought Russia was a spent dead power and ignored what they said. The russian asked NATO to agree not to give Ukraine nato membership, they said no, then surprise surprise the russians invaded. If we had let them be and not interfered then perhaps the situation that existed before would have continued without bloodshed.

Now we have mad energy prices because we thought the principal of not being pressured by Russia was too important. We should have kept our noses out.

You're spelling of "Putin's imperialist ambitions" seems a bit wonky mate.

Delorestormborn · 08/02/2023 22:21

Who let Putin have a mumsnet account?!
He got invaded love. His country is full of Russians. What do you want him to do? Roll over and let his country be destroyed.
Seriously if you’re on the side of the Russians then you really have lost the plot.

Warriormum1 · 08/02/2023 22:22

I don't care what side of the argument you are on, but calling people "thick" "Russia bots" or "idiots" and declaring everything you disagree with to be "sensationalist bollocks" serves only to reduce the whole argument to the lowest common denominator. If you have an opinion on either side, fair enough, but I for one, would love to see an intelligent debate rather than a slagging match.

Fordian · 08/02/2023 22:22

user1471453601 · 08/02/2023 22:02

I think Zelensky is playing a part, like the actor he is.

He's playing the part of someone who is doing whatever it takes, sucking up to who ever, to get the armaments Ukrain needs to repel Russia. And good on him. If Sunak, Biden ect like the sucking up but give him the weapons his country needs, I've no problem with that.

I'm usually a "dove* when it comes to armed warfare. I've been politically active since the Vietnam war, but in the case of Ukrain, I'm more "hawk".

If Putin is successful in Yukrain, where next? Poland? A UN country? Then we are all at war with Russia, and probably China, because they may take the opportunity to invade Tiwan.

Ah, user1765335764665

You're new here, aren't you?

We see you and for what 'you' represent.

I wonder what searching your username will reveal? Tumbleweed?

needastrongoneagain · 08/02/2023 22:23

Jonnywishbone · 08/02/2023 22:15

We caused this mess by suggesting that the Ukraine could join NATO and the EU. Russia had said very clearly that they saw that as unacceptable in a country where they have an important naval base. We thought Russia was a spent dead power and ignored what they said. The russian asked NATO to agree not to give Ukraine nato membership, they said no, then surprise surprise the russians invaded. If we had let them be and not interfered then perhaps the situation that existed before would have continued without bloodshed.

Now we have mad energy prices because we thought the principal of not being pressured by Russia was too important. We should have kept our noses out.

I would disagree that Russia did invade - rather Putin invaded perhaps? The podcast series about him from his childhood to his rise to power is (to someone that lacked any real knowledge in this area) is informative.

Neededanewuserhandle · 08/02/2023 22:23

Jonnywishbone · 08/02/2023 22:15

We caused this mess by suggesting that the Ukraine could join NATO and the EU. Russia had said very clearly that they saw that as unacceptable in a country where they have an important naval base. We thought Russia was a spent dead power and ignored what they said. The russian asked NATO to agree not to give Ukraine nato membership, they said no, then surprise surprise the russians invaded. If we had let them be and not interfered then perhaps the situation that existed before would have continued without bloodshed.

Now we have mad energy prices because we thought the principal of not being pressured by Russia was too important. We should have kept our noses out.

This kind of victim blaming is like a DV perpetrator who tries to excuse his actions by saying the victim wound him up.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 08/02/2023 22:23

CrimsonPostBox · 08/02/2023 21:58

Ukraine is a corrupt country because of CENTURIES of being under Russian rule. These things become so embedded they take a long time to root out. But they were finally making progress before Russia decided to have another go.

Ive been following the war and the societal currents that have been stirred up by the invasion.

Ukraine is taking massive, and astonishing, steps to combat corruption even at the highest levels. It'll take time and effort but it really is happening.

Compared the UK's battle against corruption .... well, it's sad. The Uk, I mean, not Ukraine.

CornishGem1975 · 08/02/2023 22:24

I don't trust him but then I don't think there's a politician in the land that I do trust.

Neededanewuserhandle · 08/02/2023 22:24

Warriormum1 · 08/02/2023 22:22

I don't care what side of the argument you are on, but calling people "thick" "Russia bots" or "idiots" and declaring everything you disagree with to be "sensationalist bollocks" serves only to reduce the whole argument to the lowest common denominator. If you have an opinion on either side, fair enough, but I for one, would love to see an intelligent debate rather than a slagging match.

That poster did post sensationalist bollocks, and went on to post false binary choices.