To think the adoration of Zelensky in the UK feels very wrong?

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Exactly that. Why are UK politicians lapping it all up and hanging on to his every word? The laughter from MPs when he said he enjoyed English tea but now wants English planes… in what sense is that funny? He is wanting war planes to cause more bloodshed, death and destruction. I hope this doesn’t lead to Russian retaliation.

Ukraine is very strongly improving its eradication of corruption.

The state office is certainly busily denouncing the guy that financed zelensky, arresting him and whatnot. I guess you could call it a cleanup. Just like you could call that segment of Goodfellows where they play 'Layla' a cleanup.

If you were so minded.

So did we, if you remember

We? Most of us live in the West of Europe. Not Russia, sweetheart.

But - and this is quite crucial - Ukraine is the only country that has actual avowed neo nazis on its payroll. The Ukrainian state employs neo nazis, quite openly. Azov hasn't cleaned up its act. It can't. Its purpose is neo nazism and white supremacy and that's what it recruits in

Bullshit. Azov started off bad, but it's working hard to clean up its act

www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-azov-battalion-looks-to-regroup-and-clean-up-image-11654453889

Besides, I think if you're worried about the behaviour of soldiers, you might want to look at Wagner. After all they are the ones who release literal videos of crushing heads with sledgehammers and on their Telegram channels they published the mass rape and torture of a captured female Ukrainian medic.

Aren't you worried about the fact that Russians are issued with Viagra to enable their rape of women?

No?

Most decent people would be horrified by yet another Russian invasion of another sovereign land, the way they invaded and ruined Chechnya.

Course, you could care too. If you were so minded.

Aren't you worried about the fact that Russians are issued with Viagra to enable their rape of women?

I'm not personally worried about it but of course it's awful.

It's also awful that the russian army retains its recruits through a process of brutal assault and rape of said recruits. There is nothing good about the russian army. Or the russian state. Or the Ukrainian army. Or the ukrainian state. This is really really not about good guys and bad guys.

Russia suffered greater loss of life than any other nation bar none. Way more than the Jewish total

Your posts have descended into incoherence now, but I think it's worth addressing this specific point. Two thirds of the Jewish population in Europe were murdered under Hitler. The percentage of Russians killed doesn't even come close. Which is saying something given how badly the Nazis treated the Russians in occupied regions.

Over 20 million russians died in world war two.

Maybe not so great to compare their current leader to a man who killed 20 million of them.

Yep, and as there were a lot more than 30 million Russians to start with, the Jewish losses were proportionately much higher.

Additionally, some of those 20 million were both Russian and Jewish. It was a stupid comparison to draw.

You may want to take that up with the pp who brought it up in the first place.

Maybe he should stop doing so many of the same things Hitler did, then. Well, and the same things Stalin did too- let's credit him with balance.

Incidentally, where are you getting 20 million plus for Russia specifically? Because the numbers for each Soviet Republic are heavily contested, and there are estimates for Rusaian losses that are much lower.

I don't trust that you're in good faith now, but lots of people are reading this and it's always important to counter minimisation of the Holocaust.

You're the one who made that claim, so no.

I'm not minimising the holocaust.

I'm countering the minimisation of the russian contribution to WWII.

But yes I'm using 'russian' as a synonym for 'soviet', because that's what russia was, then.

Btb, anyone who is at all concerned about neo nazis, white supremacy and holocaust denial should look very closely at azov battalion and the state that funds it.

There were over 11m military deaths alone - 27m in total. Talk about percentages if you want, but in stark figures it speaks for itself.

That's literally what you're doing, as well as co opting casualties from non Russian Soviet peoples to try and make your ridiculous point. You've proven my point superbly.

For anyone who's actually interested by the way, it goes without saying that you shouldn't be taking the word of apologist fuckwits, but instead have a look at the impact of WW2 on the populations of some of the Asian parts of the USSR and the estimated percentage of them who were killed. Its sobering.

I'm countering the minimisation of the russian contribution to WWII.

are you also crediting the US with the gigantic support they gave to the Soviets?

"we would have lost without the US" www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html

""I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."

Even before the United States entered World War II in December 1941, America sent arms and equipment to the Soviet Union to help it defeat the Nazi invasion. Totaling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today’s currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945 in support of what Stalin described to Roosevelt as the “enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy — bloodthirsty Hitlerism.”
ru.usembassy.gov/world-war-ii-allies-u-s-lend-lease-to-the-soviet-union-1941-1945/

400,000 jeeps & trucks

14,000 airplanes

8,000 tractors

13,000 tanks

1.5 million blankets

15 million pairs of army boots

107,000 tons of cotton

2.7 million tons of petrol products

4.5 million tons of food

So perhaps you could thank the US for helping Russia at that point fight fascism. Just as you can thank them now for helping a less rich country also fight an invasion against an aggressor.

It speaks for itself that you're using the whole USSR figure here, one that includes millions of Holocaust victims incidentally.

Anyway, the Jewish population came off much worse than the Russians, and this is a fact not an opinion.

Oh by the way, by 1944 almost 40% of the Soviet troops that fought the Germans were Ukrainians.

40%.

Russia doesn't know what it's taken on.

And while we're on the subject of crediting, let's also make sure we give the Soviet regime due recognition for all the assistance and resources they were stupid enough to provide to the Nazis for years, before the face eating leopard party started eating their faces too.

We're talking about you and what you said. Meanwhile, you haven't even got the brains to get the numbers right. Laughable.

By the way, some Ukrainians fought for Germany.

That's because having been occupied by Russia and 5m of their people killed by the deliberate Russian famine Holodomor Germany was a better occupier than Russia

Think on that. Germany in Nazi times, utterly appalling as they were, were better than Russian occupiers.

@ReleaseTheDucksOfWar we've already been through this. Yes the yanks had the cash. So?

My numbers are fine.

So lets face it, when you say that the Russians defeated Germany ... it's just not true.

The US, UK, some of Europe and Russia with US support defeated Germany. Much much more accurate, a more balanced picture.

Oh wait, I was mistaken. By 1944, 40% of the Soviet army was Ukrainian.

So the US, some of Europe, Ukraine, UK and Russia defeated Germany.